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Re:The Myth of the Alpha Wolf by AlbertCory on Saturday March 25, 2023 @04:19PM (#35306875)
"farmers really don’t like it when they kill off their livestock."

You say that like it's shameful for them to feel that way.

Pet owners really don't like it when wolves kill off their dogs & cats, either.

Re:The Myth of the Alpha Wolf by bcrosby95 on Saturday March 25, 2023 @04:42PM (#35307110)
We have coyotes in the suburb I live in. They will stalk pets, and if you leave them out overnight say good bye to fluffy.

The people who have lived here a while pay no nevermind. But new locals always fill nextdoor with coyote sightings. I mean, yeah, you can hear them basically every night.

Re:The Myth of the Alpha Wolf by taco_philips on Saturday March 25, 2023 @04:44PM (#35307133)
I don't see anything in what you quoted about how the farmer should be ashamed to feel that way. I didn't read it that way at all.
Re:The Myth of the Alpha Wolf by vehementi on Saturday March 25, 2023 @05:12PM (#35307420)
It's because the person went out of their way to say that the bad reputation is because of the farmers' feelings, rather than just the fact that wolves kill the livestock. Compare:

> He went to jail for hitting her

> He went to jail because she didn't like that he hit her

This makes it sound like she would or should sometimes like to be hit, rather than being straightforwardly the victim of a crime, or straightforwardly because the person committed a crime

Re:The Myth of the Alpha Wolf by sillysaurusx on Saturday March 25, 2023 @04:58PM (#35307277)
Yeah. It’s always interesting to see how people fill in the blanks.
Re:The Myth of the Alpha Wolf by AlbertCory on Saturday March 25, 2023 @05:55PM (#35307836)
You don't? How about "I think they got a bad reputation because farmers really don’t like it when they kill off their livestock."

so, "bad reputation" is unfortunate, X caused it, but it's unwarranted to read that as "X is unfortunate"? It seems like a reasonable inference.

Re:The Myth of the Alpha Wolf by pxc on Saturday March 25, 2023 @04:49PM (#35307186)
> Pet owners really don't like it when wolves kill off their dogs & cats, either.

Right. I have some affection for wolves and coyotes because of their resemblance and relatiom to domestic dogs... but I also don't want them near my home any more than they have to be, and I avoid them at parks, because they will 100% kill and eat dogs like mine. They do it all the time.