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Re:The Myth of the Alpha Wolf by pxc on Saturday March 25, 2023 @04:18PM (#35306856)
Some dogs, notably rottweilers, make similar vocalizations even when relaxed. Search for 'rottie rumble’ to find clips with examples.

I don't know anything about wolves really, but with dogs, most individual components of body language are pretty ambiguous. For example,

  - many dogs will rapidly wag their tails just before getting into a vicious fight (it doesn't just mean 'happy')
  - dogs will generally bare teeth as a warning/threat, but some will also show their teeth as a greeting (Google 'heeler smile')
  - some stress/calming signals (e.g., pulling ears back or lowered tail) can occur as normal parts of safe, mutual play
To get a sense of what a dog is feeling and how it might act, you really have to integrate all of its body language into a single context.

All of that is to say that if someone who works at a respectable wolf habitat/rescue tells me that a growl-y vocalization from a wolf is not always aggressive, I don't have a hard time believing that.

(I'd love to learn more about wolf body language and how it differs from that of domestic dogs!)

Re:The Myth of the Alpha Wolf by sdwr on Saturday March 25, 2023 @05:18PM (#35307495)
Agree in theory, my read on that particular situation is that the human was shading arrogant/taunting, and the male was a bit jealous verging towards pissed.

My dog has played a few times with a rescue mutt (bit of rottie in there?) who growls pretty loud in the heat of the moment. Was frightening to hear, but shes not aggressive at all.