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Re:Police sue rapper Afroman for using footage of home raid ... by tracker1 on Friday March 24, 2023 @10:45AM (#35289709)
The problem is a lot of it cuts both ways... a lot of cops see misconduct investigations and a LOT of them are either unsubstantiated or lies. It's really impossible to know from the outside and onset. In the case of Floyd, for example, I don't know anyone, cop or not, that didn't think that was excessive force and completely wrong.

The union is supposed to serve the police, and that includes legal protection... your lawyer is going to back you, that's how the system works. Would you want a defense lawyer that was against you?

I know it's pretty simplistic, but that's largely what it comes down to... I'm not supporting police misconduct at all. I think that civil asset forfeiture is a crime, I think that police spend too much time trying to make criminals out of innocent people... Once at an accident where I was rear ended, "why is your seatbelt unbuckled?" I was kind of pissed, because, "I needed to get my insurance and registration from the glove box."

In the end, I get it... I do feel, however, that the ACAB is oversized because a lot of it is over-reported or misrepresented.

I'm also not that inclined to generally and blindly support police. They are agents of the govt's interests and not yours. They serve the govt and the govt is too split from general good and in favor of the wealthy and powerful. And I also think that enforcing draconian lockdowns in many places didn't gain them any favor with anyone these past few years.

Again, most cops are mostly good, like most people. And like most people they will bend to peer pressure, anxiety, stress and their environment. You really want to see people with a bent personality, talk to the guys that have to clean up traffic accidents sometime... They're quasi police and complete alcoholics for the most part. That's a job nobody should have for an extended period of time. It's extreme, but only to show that one's own experiences will shape their perception.

Of course, I am biased, I just make an effort to be level headed as much as possible.

Re:Police sue rapper Afroman for using footage of home raid ... by tonyarkles on Friday March 24, 2023 @03:52PM (#35294529)
> The union is supposed to serve the police, and that includes legal protection... your lawyer is going to back you, that's how the system works. Would you want a defense lawyer that was against you?

That's an interesting perspective and nuance! It gets really interesting when the same group is both responsible for "protecting the individual" and "protecting the profession". In most legal situations, you have a lawyer of your own and it's very crystal clear that their role is to protect your best interests. And I am one of the people who strongly strongly believe that, in the general legal perspective, "he got off on a technically" should almost always be replaced with "the legal system failed to do their job". For example, if someone is acquitted of a crime because of a poor chain of custody with the evidence, the fault 100% is on the people who failed to do their jobs correctly. When the state wants to strip someone of their most basic right (freedom), they had better dot their Ts and cross their Is.

> In the end, I get it... I do feel, however, that the ACAB is oversized because a lot of it is over-reported or misrepresented.

With the lawyer situation, I am paying my lawyer to represent me the best they can. With the police union situation, the good guys are paying union dues that go directly towards the defence fund for the bad guys. There's a very significant conflict of interest here as well; if a video leaks where I'm beating the shit out of someone while wearing my company uniform, my employer is almost certainly going to put out a statement about how my actions don't represent the company values and that I've been terminated. With the police and police unions, there's often complete silence or even support.

I have more thoughts, thank you for triggering a really interesting line of thought for me. Will try to come back to this but work's getting busy again...

Re:Police sue rapper Afroman for using footage of home raid ... by tehwebguy on Saturday March 25, 2023 @11:43AM (#35303793)
> In the case of Floyd, for example, I don't know anyone, cop or not, that didn't think that was excessive force and completely wrong.

That was after the civilian world had already reacted publicly. All of the police involved helped kill him or cover it up until the video came out.

Re:Police sue rapper Afroman for using footage of home raid ... by tracker1 on Sunday March 26, 2023 @04:05PM (#35318968)
I'm specifically talking about the video... as I mentioned at the top of my reply, many/most civil complaints are made up, and I'm a proponent of filming and body cams, it's the best way to know (unedited, full-length content). It didn't take more than the video to see it and only took the video. It didn't matter the commentary around it.