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Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by oxfordmale on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @07:38PM (#35268588)
It seems they are migrating for migration's sake.

AWS ECS -> Google GKE -> AWS EKS -> Self hosted Kubernetes -> bespoke solution.

They are pretty much changing their tech stack every few years, never maturing their knowledge of the current tech stack.

I am sure it makes sense to self host, but given their track record I am wondering if they wil be migrating to the cloud again in a few years.

Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by axlee on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @07:55PM (#35268732)
To be fair that served them well in the past: the reason why anyone knows about 37signals is because they reinvented the wheel back in 2004 with Rails, but what a great reinvention it was. Who knows what can come next.
Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by atonse on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @09:09PM (#35269316)
Which wheel did they reinvent? Rails literally set a bunch of standards used by just about every framework today… app generators, conventions over configuration, asset pipelines, you name it.
Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by pxc on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @09:59PM (#35269595)
I think what they wanted to convey was not the redundancy of 'reinventing the wheel', but the ambitious scope and from-scratch approach associated with the phrase.

Maybe 'rolled their own' or 'first invented the universe' would have been slightly better.

Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by dexterdog on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @11:49PM (#35270325)
But does doing something like that once 20 years ago mean they can do it again?
Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by pxc on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @11:57PM (#35270371)
I dunno. I was a kid when Rails took over the world, so I couldn't even begin to tell you why it succeeded in the way that it did.

But I do feel like they probably know what they're doing enough to have a more modest version of success with this other project, i.e., meeting their own needs well without burning up too much money or time. They're still a really small, focused company, and they have a lot of relevant experience.

Re:De-cloud and de-K8s – Bringing our apps back home by axlee on Thursday March 23, 2023 @07:03AM (#35272823)
Well, as with all homebrewn solutions, you don't know if you are reinventing the wheel until you're done. At first, it always starts with "the current solutions that are available do not fit me, but I still could use them to achieve what I want". There was nothing forcing 37signals back in 2004 to roll their own framework in order to support developing their apps, but they did anyway.

And for every Rails out there, there are thousands of internal frameworks with big ambitions that just turned out to be inferior to what's already available. You just can't know it when you start developing. It takes a bit of ego and ambition to go that path, but sometimes it pays off. And my guess is that if it paid off in the past, you're more likely to try it again.