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Re:The Brilliant Inventor Who Made Two of History’s Biggest ... by somenameforme on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @12:48AM (#35256948)
I would also emphasize a more social issue to this. There's also a tendency for society to discount the dangers of something when the impact is sporadically distributed or long-term. Beyond the endless corporate lobbying and sold out scientists/politicians working to convince everybody that leaded fuel was 100% safe, I think there was also probably a mindset of many in society that 'Well, if leaded fuel is so poisonous and I'm breathing it in everyday, then why am I perfectly fine?' And with such "logic" dismiss any concerns about its safety.
Re:The Brilliant Inventor Who Made Two of History’s Biggest ... by starkparker on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @01:44AM (#35257268)
The Nation's story on it dives much deeper. There was an out and out panic about lead and leaded gasoline in the 1920s that GM and Ethyl/du Pont had to squash, which Midgely happily participated in. https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/secret-history-lea...
Re:The Brilliant Inventor Who Made Two of History’s Biggest ... by Weneedlead on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @06:52AM (#35259249)
The more interesting part that people panicked that lead makes them have fewer children a century ago, not over its neurotoxicity. That was not yet "known".

Another interesting part:] >In Venezuela, where the state oil company sold only leaded gasoline until 1999, a recent report found 63 percent of newborn children with blood-lead levels in excess of the so-called safe levels promulgated by the US government.

And as of 2008, there were virtually no nearsighted people in Venezuela.

Re:The Brilliant Inventor Who Made Two of History’s Biggest ... by JPws_Prntr_Fngr on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @10:00AM (#35261082)
A gimmick account dedicated to lead advocacy. Interesting. Could you source any scientific papers (or even a schizo blog post!) we could read through? Because your Venezuelan eyesight anecdote is not very convincing.
Re:The Brilliant Inventor Who Made Two of History’s Biggest ... by Weneedlead on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @10:08AM (#35261210)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18481484/ (now I looked again, it's actually an old study from 1986 that they cite, they already do show rising rates esp. in males)

https://iovs.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2124447

https://www.bijojournal.org/article.asp?issn=1858-6538;year=... (recalculate percentages)

Re:The Brilliant Inventor Who Made Two of History’s Biggest ... by JPws_Prntr_Fngr on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @10:24AM (#35261498)
I don't follow. #2 is on nicotine exposure, and #3 concluded lead exposure is bad.

"Conclusion: Lead poison has a great effect on vision and eye health of the workers, its lead to decrease of vision result in development amblyopia, it also has influence on ocular media and causes severe allergic reaction Thus, all the workers in this field should wear the protection tools provided in the factory, and there is a critical need for examining their ocular health annually."

Re:The Brilliant Inventor Who Made Two of History’s Biggest ... by Weneedlead on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @10:38AM (#35261733)
Tobacco smoke contains heavy metals, smoking rises lead levels. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322790056_Blood_Lea...

11 out of the 76 short term exposed workers had myopia, while 10 out of 124 long term exposed workers had myopia, which is much less.

Re:The Brilliant Inventor Who Made Two of History’s Biggest ... by JPws_Prntr_Fngr on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @12:52PM (#35263827)
Uh huh. I think I'll let the Sudanese researchers run the lead ingestion trials on themselves first and wait it out.
Re:The Brilliant Inventor Who Made Two of History’s Biggest ... by acuozzo on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @10:13AM (#35261300)
> which Midgely happily participated in

Which moves him from the category of buffoon to evil.

Re:The Brilliant Inventor Who Made Two of History’s Biggest ... by dsfyu404ed on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @06:22AM (#35259025)
It's infinitely more convenient to assume that the leaders in the past were evil and the masses of the past ignorant than it is to assume they weren't let alone assume they were mostly just like us.

It must be nice to be able to make those assumptions and believe them...

Re:The Brilliant Inventor Who Made Two of History’s Biggest ... by somenameforme on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @09:39AM (#35260825)
Midgley had to be treated for lead poisoning following one of his demonstrations of how safe leaded fuel was. The fact leaded fuel was unsafe would not have come as a surprise to him or anybody else familiar with its development and risks. I don't give much of any consideration to good or evil, but I do to ethics and values. And our society's leaders, corporate and political, have been woefully absent of them for some time, in a trend that seems to be clearly rapidly worsening.

So in that regard I do agree that people of times past were, more or less, the same as today. Yet even the most cursory glance of our history, outside of what is taught in history class, is something that would emphasize that that belief is anything but nice to hold!

Re:The Brilliant Inventor Who Made Two of History’s Biggest ... by JohnFen on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @06:59PM (#35268230)
It's easy to believe because I see similar things happening in real time, right now.
Re:The Brilliant Inventor Who Made Two of History’s Biggest ... by Arrath on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @12:52PM (#35263831)
> There's also a tendency for society to discount the dangers of something when the impact is sporadically distributed or long-term.

Doesn't US regulation still approach novel chemicals with a "Safe until proven otherwise" stance? Surely this doesn't help.