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Re:Why is the AI black box such a big deal? by rvz on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @07:42AM (#35244912)
It is more than a big deal and more than just accuracy. It is essentially trust and transparent decision making which is what the AI hype squad doesn't tell us.

It is the reason why there is little to no application of AI models in the most serious of use-cases, especially in high risk environment(s) like transportation, finance, medical systems, legal applications. Even if there are, they are either extremely limited or have to be forced to comply with very strict regulations due to their untrustworthiness. There is a lot of money and lives at risk here if it goes wrong.

Tesla FSD is a great example of this and I guarantee that not many here trust the system to safely drive them without their hands on the wheel, end-to-end every day since it can get confused without explanation as to why it hallucinates. Not even Wall Street trusts AI black-boxes like ChatGPT to use it which also regularly hallucinates its answers [0]. Once again, even if they do use it, is in a very limited non-serious applications.

As you can see, it especially affects 'deep neural networks' in general which is what FSD and ChatGPT use and their black box nature makes their outputs highly suspicious and untrustworthy for anything serious. Hence the influx of 'chatbots', BS generators, etc on the internet.

[0] https://news.bloomberglaw.com/banking-law/wall-street-banks-...

Re:Why is the AI black box such a big deal? by 2rsf on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @08:06AM (#35245076)
You are mixing two things here, general purpose AI/ML applications are indeed hard to trust and test since you don't have any specifications to test against, there are some explicit and implicit benchmarks but nothing is guaranteed to cover the whole (well, most of the) spectrum of inputs and outputs.

On the other hand AI's used for specific applications and purposes can be tested thoroughly, you know that FSD sucks because it was tested and shown not to do it's intended work properly. You can test a medical imaging interpretation AI by comparing the results to a human doctor, and you can test test an in house climate system controlled by AI by judging its performance.

Re:Why is the AI black box such a big deal? by rvz on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @01:56PM (#35249863)
Nope. My point is in general with AI with deep neural networks as black boxes being very untrustworthy no matter the application, unless it is for non-serious uses.

Using deep learning AI in medical imaging is just as opaque to a doctor as rolling a dice as a random number generator to see if won't get confused by a faulty pixel or bad input and misinterpret what it is seeing for something else, leading to mis-diagnosis, which is a life changing risk.

It is no good for them to use the output of an AI that just 'explains' by giving a number of 99% and its incorrect without any transparent way of reasoning for that output or explanation which is exactly what medical professionals want to avoid, hence multiple doctors have to review it because they *do not* trust it.

Re:Why is the AI black box such a big deal? by Perihermeneias on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @09:38AM (#35245900)
Thanks for the response. So is it more of a feeling of trust for the end-users that people want explainable AI? If an explainable model has the same performance as a black box model, does that really add any real world benefit though?

Or does that explainability potentially offer something to the FSD or fintech engineers/developers that allows them to make better models? And if so, what would that be? That’s where I seem to get stuck on this question, explainability sounds nice but I want to understand what specific, practical it would offer.