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Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London by sidfthec on Monday March 20, 2023 @06:24PM (#35239672)
Why is no one talking about the safety of hauling kids on a bike? It's incredibly dangerous compared to a car.

In my city, it's not if but when you'll get hit by a car on a bike. Yet I see parents increasingly think it's okay to haul their children on their bikes.

Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London by seagullriffic on Monday March 20, 2023 @06:40PM (#35239867)
I hope this is meant ironically.

Cars regularly mount pavements/sidewalks as well, and kill pedestrians who are not even in the road.

The correct response to "cars make cities unsafe for everyone" is of course to ban all but the most essential cars from cities. It is not to suggest that the _other_ forms of transport (including walking on the pavement/sidewalk!) are so unsafe as to be irresponsible, in the presence of cars.

Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London by sidfthec on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @12:26PM (#35248474)
Great. But that doesn't help today. And today people are having their kids ride with them on their bikes.
Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London by oangemangut on Monday March 20, 2023 @06:31PM (#35239765)
Because it should be okay, and it's a societal failing that it currently isn't as safe as it should be. Cars are always safer for their occupants, but using them puts vulnerable road users at greater risk of serious injury or death. In my city I love to see more people on the road with their kids on e-bikes. It shouldn't be a moral failing on part of the parent to be doing that. OTOH, just this morning one of the A*Hole parents back her SUV out of a parking space in a day care parking lot while on the phone and holding the phone to her ear. When I motioned for her to get off her phone in the DAYCARE PARKING LOT she shrugged and sped off.
Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London by chucksmash on Monday March 20, 2023 @08:29PM (#35240892)
I occasionally see a bike towing a wagon with two kiddos in it going up First Ave in NY. More power to them, but not something I'm comfortable with. It's in a protected (separated) bike lane, so the problem isn't just "cars bad" though. If someone was a numbskull car driver, they'll probably be a numbskull E-Bike (or moped or scooter) rider when they switch. You can't go 10 blocks without coming across someone riding along on their phone not paying attention while they look up their next delivery, someone riding the wrong way in the bike lane to cut a block off their trip, or a bike rider coming off a street into the avenue without checking that it's clear first.

And also "cars bad" too. Lots of people making left turns across the bike lanes without checking their mirrors (probably happens once per thirty minute ride), people executing half a left turn and then blocking the bike lane to wait for pedestrians, people parking in the bike lane. It's been 20 years since I had a car wreck so I can be reasonably sure when I put my kid in their car seat that it will be an uneventful trip. City biking is always at least a little eventful and there's a lot less protection though. If society has given me a nice lane to ride the bike, is it still society's failing that my fellow occupants of the lane act the way they do?

Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London by sidfthec on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @12:25PM (#35248455)
> Because it should be okay

But it isn't. End of story.

Happy to support people who want to make biking safer. Happy to support politicians who want to build protected bike lanes.

But you can't just make up a fairy tale land and pretend it's safe. Bring yourself back to real life, and your children are in danger.

Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London by yibg on Monday March 20, 2023 @06:46PM (#35239939)
So it’s not the bikes that are dangerous but the cars around them. Shouldn’t the solution be about how to keep cars away from bikes, not ditch bikes and drive cars?
Re:Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London by sidfthec on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @12:26PM (#35248487)
Yes that's the solution. How does that help today, as I see parents carry their children on their bikes around dangerous cars?