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Re:Leaving China by onethought on Sunday March 19, 2023 @11:38PM (#35226971)
> I suspect China's draconian, desperate attempt to eliminate Covid entirely was largely due to official guilt.

OR it was because they didn't have a vaccinated population and they couldn't build and staff hospitals fast enough to deal with a nation wide exponentially growing infection.

Don't let facts get in the way of a good rant though.

Re:Leaving China by roca on Monday March 20, 2023 @04:51AM (#35228877)
They could have vaccinated their population while they were maintaining zero-COVID. It's a mystery to me why they didn't make vaccination mandatory.
Re:Leaving China by re-thc on Monday March 20, 2023 @05:20AM (#35229077)
Sinovac, Sinopharm, etc that China made weren't working up to the required standards. It wasn't something anyone wanted to come out and admit.

To make vaccination mandatory they'd have to admit, kill off their own producers and import. It'd be a political disaster.

Re:Leaving China by roca on Monday March 20, 2023 @05:22AM (#35229088)
Their vaccines weren't great but mandating them would have been a lot better than nothing.
Re:Leaving China by logicchains on Monday March 20, 2023 @05:47AM (#35229270)
It could actually have been a lot worse than nothing. Compare covid deaths in Japan and Korea prior to the mRNA vaccine rollout in 2021 to afterwards; afterwards the infection and death rates sky-rocketed.
Re:Leaving China by roca on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @01:55AM (#35242942)
That particular anti-vax theory doesn't hold water when you consider that New Zealand vaccinated almost everyone with mRNA (Pfizer) prior to COVID spreading widely, with excellent results. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2023.1085... NZ cumulative excess mortality since January 2020 is still negative: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-mortali...
Re:Leaving China by re-thc on Monday March 20, 2023 @06:02AM (#35229391)
For the people? Not for the politicians and executives. Any stats that show the vaccines as performing worse than the competition would hurt sales.
Re:Leaving China by onethought on Tuesday March 21, 2023 @12:17AM (#35242499)
Sinovac was something terrible like 50-62% efficacy. While also not provably stopping transmission. The spread would have continued and there was no evidence it would have reduced the burden on hospitals. It would definitely be worse for people.

The reason PRC never said it publicly is because that would have been terrible for them politically as well.