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Re:People Had to Be Convinced of the Usefulness of Electricity by revelio on Sunday March 19, 2023 @05:29PM (#35223848)
No? Private infrastructure doesn't always become monopoly, that's why most infrastructure monopolies were created by nationalization at a time when that was all the rage. Railway monopolies, radio (e.g. BBC), telecoms, steel, water, electricity ... lots.

> we're not going to have multiple private roads systems are we?

Toll roads exist but indeed, roads are one of the cases where building and maintaining them is easy so you don't lose much from a state monopoly, and they take up a lot of space so duplication is unfortunate. But there are relatively few cases like that.

Re:People Had to Be Convinced of the Usefulness of Electricity by photochemsyn on Sunday March 19, 2023 @05:47PM (#35224018)
Are competing water companies going to build multiple water pipe systems to people's homes? Are competing electricity companies going to cover cities with multiple independent competing grids? Are competing ISPs going to build separate fiber networks to everyone's door? Should there be multiple rail networks owned by private parties, or just one that everyone uses cooperatively?

These are cases where it only makes sense to build one system, and any such system should be under public control, not under private monopoly control by some rent-extracting shareholder outfit.

Re:People Had to Be Convinced of the Usefulness of Electricity by revelio on Sunday March 19, 2023 @06:38PM (#35224441)
>> Are competing {water,power,internet} companies going to cover cities with multiple independent competing {pipes}?

Sure and they have done in the past. The existing networks weren't initially built by governments, they were built by private entrepreneurs and then nationalized. That's true at least for power and internet, admittedly I don't know for water piping, that might be old enough to pre-date private companies of any significant size.

Now should they is a different question to will they. In many cases it's OK to allow that. I think the US still has private railway lines. In other places there aren't any left. But I agree that for networks that require enormous amounts of land and where there's ~no scope for innovation, government monopolies can be beneficial. Water, power and roads seem clear cut. Rail is a sort of interesting middle ground where countries go back and forth because there is actually scope for innovation in how the signalling works and governments are typically extremely slow to deploy improvements.

Re:People Had to Be Convinced of the Usefulness of Electricity by photochemsyn on Sunday March 19, 2023 @07:30PM (#35224948)
"The existing networks weren't initially built by governments, they were built by private entrepreneurs and then nationalized."

This is simply not true in many cases, and the Rural Electrification program is Exhibit A, isn't it? Exhibit B is the national freeway system. The takeover of the government-built Hetch Hetchey to CA power grid by PG&E is exhibit C, granted a complicated story:

https://www.dailyjournal.com/articles/293699-a-hundred-years...

Certainly the private sector has a role to play, i.e. the production of water pipe itself is a competitive business, so is the production of fiber optic cable, and of tools and equipment - but the systems themselves should never be privately owned.

Re:People Had to Be Convinced of the Usefulness of Electricity by revelio on Wednesday March 22, 2023 @06:54PM (#35268179)
I think you're looking only at the 20th century? The first electricity systems were built by companies (Tesla, Edison, Westinghouse etc). The first high quality roads were privately built and run:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turnpike_trust

(well, semi-private at least, corporations didn't exist in the same way that far back)

And the internet was all private and still is, with no change on the horizon.