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Re:SETI@home Is in Hibernation by kalleboo on Saturday March 18, 2023 @05:07AM (#35207471)
My MacBook Pro with M1 Pro is the first laptop I've had that hasn't had that slight hesitation that laptops have always had. I think this is why people praise Apple Silicon so much even though the benchmark numbers may not always back it up - so many other people are also coming from similarly-hobbled laptops.
Re:SETI@home Is in Hibernation by seanp2k2 on Saturday March 18, 2023 @05:24AM (#35207544)
Agree, I’ll probably never buy another Intel laptop as long as AMD and Apple keep killing it with these things. I was hopeful that the Surface laptops would be good with ARM too but they’re not using the latest chips, they went for low/mid-tier performance, and Windows on ARM still sucks / relies too much on emulation to be fast. Some day maybe we’ll get REAL ARM hardware with dozens of cores, tons of memory bandwidth, USB4, and decent freaking GPUs. Sorry, but the idea of spending $2k on a laptop that runs last year’s mid-tier smartphone processor just doesn’t cut it. Maybe that’s fine for a Chromebook for schools or something.
Re:SETI@home Is in Hibernation by sph on Saturday March 18, 2023 @05:58AM (#35207710)
I have a great desktop, and every day I curse Apple and Tim Cook because I cannot get an iPad Pro that runs full macOS.

That would be the ideal device for me when I'm on the go, that I can still use to watch Youtube videos in the bathroom. I do not need a full laptop when I work at home with a $5,000 desktop PC, nor I want to buy a crappy $300 laptop that always feels slow and underpowered.

It is really sad to have the tech to do something, but it doesn't exist because the bean counters said no.

Re:SETI@home Is in Hibernation by LoganDark on Saturday March 18, 2023 @06:55AM (#35207969)
> nor I want to buy a crappy $300 laptop that always feels slow and underpowered.

Meanwhile, the expensive laptops with actual desktop-class components have unacceptably shitty peripherals, so you can't even pay more money for what you want; it simply doesn't exist.

This is what upsets me the most about laptops.

Re:SETI@home Is in Hibernation by yafbum on Saturday March 18, 2023 @11:16AM (#35209751)
What do you mean by shitty peripherals?
Re:SETI@home Is in Hibernation by LoganDark on Saturday March 18, 2023 @06:12PM (#35213622)
Low-DPI screens, bad webcams, keyboards with the wrong arrows/numpad layout, off-center trackpads etc. it's different for each person what they consider "shitty", but laptops are always a total package deal (except for Framework) and it can just so happen that nobody makes powerful laptops that also have the exact right permutation of peripherals.

You can find all sorts of beautiful 4K ultrabooks with the perfect keyboard and trackpad layout, and great webcams too—if you don't mind putting up with a Celeron and 4GB of RAM... If you want a really modern and powerful CPU with lots of RAM, you'll be looking at the likes of Clevo and AORUS and etc. that put desktop-class parts in a thick chassis, but... that bodes terribly for the peripherals they end up using.

Some of the Clevo machines have individual gimmicks like 300Hz displays, but none of them seem to have all of "high DPI, good keyboard layout, good port arrangement, high performance". And this is true for basically all laptop vendors.

OEMs think good peripherals always equate to "thin and light" which results in bad performance, either through bad parts or bad thermals. Maybe Frore Systems' new cooling solution will help slightly with ultrabook thermals, but until that happens, laptops are just suck.

You may notice that this only matters because I even care. You may also notice that this is exactly what building a desktop is for. I am building a desktop, but I also have to build a laptop from scratch for the desktop so I can operate it from bed. Which would have been avoidable if I could've found a laptop in the first place.

The point anyway isn't to say that there aren't any good laptops out there, but rather that if you want high performance (e.g. you are bothered by slowness), you can only get it as a package deal with the rest of the laptop... obviously. But the package deals all suck. The laptop market is so annoying sometimes.

Re:SETI@home Is in Hibernation by yafbum on Saturday March 18, 2023 @11:16PM (#35215683)
I haven't really been in the market for a non-Apple laptop for a while (previously had to buy MacBook bc of specific software), so this gives me a great idea of what to watch out for when I get my next laptop. Thanks a lot!
Re:SETI@home Is in Hibernation by LoganDark on Sunday March 19, 2023 @01:11AM (#35216240)
For what it's worth, the ROG Flow X16 (2022)[0] has some good specs (8-core CPU with 3070 Ti), a great keyboard layout (with correct arrow keys!), and other niceties like a mux switch and upgradeable RAM. It is so close to perfection—but doesn't have a 4K screen, ruining the whole package.

Big reason why I dislike the market so much: the existence of that machine with only a single flaw that nonetheless ruins the value of the entire product. There's nothing else like it. It seems to be the absolute best machine the market has to offer... and it just barely misses. :(

However, the screen resolution seems to be the only problem with it, so anyone who doesn't require specifically 4K (most people) would probably find it worth considering.

[0]: https://rog.asus.com/laptops/rog-flow/rog-flow-x16-2022-seri...

Re:SETI@home Is in Hibernation by throw6969away on Saturday March 18, 2023 @03:32PM (#35212309)
> what you want; it simply doesn't exist.

Once the patents on Apple's trackpad expire, then we'll see.

Re:SETI@home Is in Hibernation by LoganDark on Saturday March 18, 2023 @06:30PM (#35213805)
I love Force Touch trackpads more than anything. I specifically got an Apple trackpad to use with my desktop because it's so much better than anything else out there.

But having a good trackpad doesn't make up for other blunders like an annoying keyboard layout, a low-DPI screen, or etc., and you bet nobody who makes the thick and heavy high-performance machines is going to care about a good trackpad anyway.

You don't really see OEMs that put top-of-the-line hardware inside a thick and sturdy chassis, and then... add a nice 4K screen and a numpad-less keyboard and put the charging/USB ports on the left instead of the back.

The list of possible blunders is so long that you'd be hard-pressed to find a machine that hasn't been subject to most of them. That's just not how laptops work. Laptops are a package deal, all or nothing. You can't ensure every requirement individually like you can with a desktop.

And the reason I don't like the market is because nobody makes a really good one.

Re:SETI@home Is in Hibernation by philjohn on Saturday March 18, 2023 @07:41AM (#35208225)
Another option is to get the iPad (and magic keyboard and pencil) and remote desktop into your home machine.

Put it behind a VPN, use wake-on-lan and boom, iPad is essentially a fully blown computer.

Re:SETI@home Is in Hibernation by sph on Saturday March 18, 2023 @09:08AM (#35208795)
No, that would turn it into a fully blown thin client.

What is the point of having half a TB of storage, however many gigs of RAM, lidar, radar, sonar, and the best processor architecture money can buy to render a glorified, interactive video?

I would like to be able to write code without having to pay the price of internet latency. I don't need a $1000 tablet to render RDP.

Re:SETI@home Is in Hibernation by DANmode on Sunday March 19, 2023 @10:57AM (#35219611)
Termux on Android does what you're asking for, but I doubt it's what you actually want. shrugs
Re:SETI@home Is in Hibernation by yafbum on Saturday March 18, 2023 @11:20AM (#35209785)
On the other hand, there's a lot of great tech (including, I think, the iPad pro and Apple silicon) that just wouldn't exist if the bean counters hadn't said yes, it's a good idea to invest a few billions of dollars into this...
Re:SETI@home Is in Hibernation by sph on Saturday March 18, 2023 @06:35PM (#35213858)
Uhm, allocating money to a budget doesn't create great products anymore than wishing very hard for something before blowing the birthday candles.

It's the engineers that actually create the cool things.

Re:SETI@home Is in Hibernation by yafbum on Saturday March 18, 2023 @11:14PM (#35215673)
> Uhm, allocating money to a budget doesn't create great products anymore than wishing very hard for something before blowing the birthday candles.

I didn't claim that it was sufficient, but it is necessary.

> It's the engineers that actually create the cool things.

Of course. With other people's money (typically).

Re:SETI@home Is in Hibernation by dreamcompiler on Saturday March 18, 2023 @07:49AM (#35208265)
Don't worry. Apple will figure out how to put that hesitation back in with a future MacOS upgrade. Probably with yet more phoning-home daemons in the name of security theater.

Sorry for the snark. I'm just bitter because Apple is about to ruin Dropbox because they don't allow KEXTs any more.

https://tidbits.com/2023/03/10/apples-file-provider-forces-m...

Re:SETI@home Is in Hibernation by throw6969away on Saturday March 18, 2023 @03:25PM (#35212246)
> that slight hesitation that laptops have always had

For me just getting a low latency mouse (e.g., wired g203) and correctly configuring 100hz+ monitors has vastly improved my experience on my M1 Air and the shitty Thinkpad I use for work -- to the point where I haven't used my desktop in a long time.