Re:These Stupid Trucks are Literally Killing Us
by Symbiote on Friday March 17, 2023 @07:37PM
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I haven't seen an American road like that on previous discussions about urban planning in the USA. It's interesting to compare with an urban road in Europe. It's been painted very similarly -- narrowed lanes, regular "25" numbers on the road, the unwanted lanes turned into car parking. You can find that all over Europe in places where there's not much budget but speeds need to be reduced.
But the main difference is the length, and the straightness.
I'm afraid I don't have any solutions.
Possibly it's still a bit wide -- the middle could be painted as a 0.5m wide hatching rather than just a single/double line, or maybe bike lanes could be fitted between parked cars and the existing kerb, but that is probably tight.
Further reading if you're really curious about this situation in particular, there's been a lot of back and forth around Menlo Park / Atherton specifically: - https://www.ci.atherton.ca.us/DocumentCenter/View/8751/Engin... - https://www.almanacnews.com/news/2020/10/22/menlo-park-counc... - https://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2016/11/17/palo-alto-eye... - https://www.cityofpaloalto.org/files/assets/public/agendas-m... - on 85th percentile theory: https://dot.ca.gov/programs/safety-programs/setting-speed-li...
Particularly amusing is https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/11/30/radar-isnt-best-optio... ... where most people seem to agree that everyone drives too fast, but in order to use radar / lidar to measure speed, they'd need to comply with state law which would mean /raising/ the speed limits in order to comply with the 85th percentile rules, so instead they just stick their heads in the sand and continue to believe, despite many studies finding to the contrary, that zero enforcement and a sign that says 25mph will actually get people to drive on 5-lane roads at ridiculously slow speeds. This leads to an exciting mix of a few cars trying to actually drive the 25mph speed limit while most other people try to frantically pass them. Extra fun on sections that don't have left turn lanes, where the left of the two lanes becomes the de-facto turn lane, then combine that with the general lack of turn signal usage and you get...a very frustrating commute indeed. But what do you want for your $3m 1000sqft single-family home in those neighborhoods??
Edit: there's a lot more traffic engineering theory around speed limits vs how fast people actually drive. The last couple of points in particular are extra fun: https://www.saratoga.ca.us/DocumentCenter/View/998/Setting-S...
Lane width vs speed is interesting to read about too: https://nacto.org/docs/usdg/review_lane_width_and_speed_pars... (tl;dr people will naturally drive more slowly on streets with street parking, narrow lanes, curves, driveways, visible foot traffic, etc, and drive more quickly when roads are visibly more open)