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Re:Why do older grad students become bitter? by DeathArrow on Friday March 17, 2023 @08:20AM (#35196099)
You can do a BS and work in the industry. Nobody forces you to get a job in the academia.
Re:Why do older grad students become bitter? by Avicebron on Friday March 17, 2023 @08:26AM (#35196157)
I think in the example case she was trying to get a job in the teaching industry, not necessarily teaching ed students in academia. At least that was my read on it.
Re:Why do older grad students become bitter? by polygamous_bat on Friday March 17, 2023 @08:24AM (#35196136)
_Someone_ needs to get jobs in the academia, otherwise after a generation we will not have anyone to train and offer those BS degrees.

Or should we only allow those with plenty of capital to pursue academia?

Re:Why do older grad students become bitter? by Balgair on Friday March 17, 2023 @10:57AM (#35197929)
Oh, um, many classes are taught by adjuncts and grad students now. PIs don't teach anymore, it's seen as a punishment for failure to get grant money.
Re:Why do older grad students become bitter? by lapcat on Friday March 17, 2023 @08:28AM (#35196189)
> You can do a BS and work in the industry.

There's no philosophy industry.

Re:Why do older grad students become bitter? by DeathArrow on Friday March 17, 2023 @08:41AM (#35196334)
>There's no philosophy industry.

You can work in the diversity industry. As a chief diversity officer, for example.

Re:Why do older grad students become bitter? by mecsred on Friday March 17, 2023 @08:33AM (#35196251)
Which is one of the reasons sane people suggest not getting a philosophy degree.
Re:Why do older grad students become bitter? by memen on Friday March 17, 2023 @08:41AM (#35196327)
One studies because of curiosity, not because of money.
Re:Why do older grad students become bitter? by DeathArrow on Friday March 17, 2023 @08:54AM (#35196462)
One has to eat. Curiosity and money can go hand in hand. I've learned things out of curiosity but those things helped me build a career, have an income, feed me and my children. There's nothing bad in gaining money.
Re:Why do older grad students become bitter? by lapcat on Friday March 17, 2023 @09:06AM (#35196574)
> One has to eat.

Philosophy grads are eating. I'm about to eat breakfast. Let's not exaggerate the situation. The issue here isn't that grad students are starving or homeless.

Re:Why do older grad students become bitter? by lapcat on Friday March 17, 2023 @08:42AM (#35196345)
But nobody pursues a philosophy degree for the money.

It's a question of personal values and what one wants out of life. Many people of a philosophical predilection would find it unfulfilling, a waste, "insane", to devote themselves to wealth maximization.

Re:Why do older grad students become bitter? by DeathArrow on Friday March 17, 2023 @08:52AM (#35196446)
>It's a question of personal values and what one wants out of life. Many people of a philosophical predilection would find it unfulfilling, a waste, "insane", to devote themselves to wealth maximization.

Arguably, If your goal in life is to be happy, from a philosophical perspective, maximizing wealth is a valid way to do it.

Re:Why do older grad students become bitter? by YeahNO on Friday March 17, 2023 @11:16AM (#35198142)
From a philosophical perspective, if your goal in life is to be happy, you will find it to be temporary at best or illusory. Better to strive for a meaningful life, with all the highs and lows that come with it. You have 70-80 years on this planet, is dying with the most toys the most fulfilling life you can think of?
Re:Why do older grad students become bitter? by DeathArrow on Friday March 17, 2023 @03:10PM (#35201505)
>You have 70-80 years on this planet, is dying with the most toys the most fulfilling life you can think of?

No, but wealth can free your time to do what you wish. It can enable you to do things that are harder to do without said wealth.

Re:Why do older grad students become bitter? by lapcat on Friday March 17, 2023 @03:25PM (#35201680)
You seem to be contradicting yourself. I want to pursue a philosophy degree, but you say no, I should pursue wealth maximization instead. Then you say wealth can free my time to do what I wish, but what I wish is to pursue a philosophy degree.