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Re:How deep is the rot in America’s banking industry? by jandrese on Thursday March 16, 2023 @02:37PM (#35186338)
But it's not like there is no market for bonds. You can calculate what they will be worth at maturity and sell them to people looking for shorter term bonds. Yes they're getting a bad deal thanks to the Fed, but that's life.

It will be a loss for the bank, but that seems better than total collapse. Banks are ultimately companies that take calculated risk to make money, if you can't afford to take an occasional loss then you shouldn't be in a risk based business.

Re:How deep is the rot in America’s banking industry? by tptacek on Thursday March 16, 2023 @02:42PM (#35186412)
Right: SVB was incompetent. Their stock got zeroed out. Meanwhile, institutions that have adequate cushion can step in and hold SVBs assets to maturity.

The thread here asks: "who's paying to cover SVB's uninsured depositors?". Isn't that the answer?

Re:How deep is the rot in America’s banking industry? by tripletao on Thursday March 16, 2023 @03:58PM (#35187533)
The SVB was mark-to-market insolvent, not just undercapitalized. There's no indication that those marks were unrealistic; the market was orderly, and they were consistent with a naive NPV calculation, with a loss due to the increase in that discount rate. So it wasn't obvious that sufficient money to repay the depositors would exist even after zeroing the shareholders and creditors; if it were, then the SVB would probably have found a buyer.

Maybe enough depositors will leave money in the SVB at below-market interest rates that it will earn its way out of the hole. The FDIC has given depositors a special incentive to, since by guaranteeing all funds they've made the SVB the safest bank in the USA. If the depositors don't, then the FDIC will take the loss, and socialize it over all participating banks.

Per my other comment, the HTM accounting is a distraction. That accounting was compliant, but accounting doesn't define reality. The holders of long-term bonds take a real economic loss when interest rates increase, regardless of whether they sell. This may seem unintuitive since the cash flows don't change, but it couldn't be otherwise--if the bond is worth par, then why aren't any buyers willing to pay that?