>Authentic human generated information has irreducible newness

I believe that point is open to debate.

Yep. Another commenter said that likes and clicks is enough for AI to generate new relavant information, not new content.

Think language change every 1000 years. Would AI adapt to that? What new training data would it require? Surely obviously it would require some new inputs. It surely requires internet connected speakers of the developing language.

I think the “surely it would require new inputs” is enough to favour the irreducible newness point.

“Irreducible newness” may be just overhyped “changing relevancy” though, that’s what I’m stuck on.

AI couldn't have started any of the artistic and literary movements, which don't just blend between traditional styles but reject some aspect to forge something new. You can't get AI to generate cubism from training on Victorian art.

So do you believe that human brains are somehow magic and don't follow the laws of physics and can't be simulated by Turing machines?

They’re talking about AI now not some notional future where we can model a real nervous system.

I do. It’s not a very controversial belief except if you only train using Internet comments.

It's quite controversial since any magic element in the universe undermines fundamental assumptions.

Physics has plenty of holes. It’s a changing model of measurable quantities in our world. It doesn’t take a lot of brainpower to fit other systems either into the gaps in physics, or independent unmeasurable areas

Magic violates fundamental principles of our understanding of the world like causality or various conservation laws. You can't just squeeze that into the gaps.

You've set up a false dichotomy.

"Human brain is magic." <> "Human brain is not simulatable by Turing machines."

There are other possibilities. I'm sure you can think of a few.

I can't think of any. Can you help me?

Why not?

Sure, a style like cubism is unlikely to appear from current AI art generation, but ultimately there's a human still in the loop. The human picks the direction the generation goes in and you can definitely see "styles" or even "characters" appear in certain types of prompts.

If you hang around people that do this a lot you'll see that some of them end up generating hundreds, if not thousands, of images of what seems to be the same character in varying situations. That indicates to me that you could potentially find a type of prompt that would lead to an art movement.

Hell, AI art itself might constitute an art movement.