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Re:Losing Signal by bragr on Monday March 13, 2023 @04:09PM (#35141761)
>Federated E2EE can work. Matrix did it

Kind of hard to claim they've done it given their current level of adoption.

Re:Losing Signal by Arathorn on Monday March 13, 2023 @05:05PM (#35142626)
Quite easy actually when you look at the number of governments who rely on Matrix - https://element.io/case-studies/tchap, https://element.io/case-studies/bundeswehr and many more (US, UK, Sweden, Ukraine, Luxembourg, Finland…). But if your friends aren’t on it, i guess that means nothing.
Re:Losing Signal by jwestbury on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @05:26AM (#35149034)
> But if your friends aren’t on it, i guess that means nothing.

Well... yes, actually. Governments use a lot of things that don't have widespread adoption outside of governmental use cases.

If your goal is to build for that market -- for environments with very specific needs -- then you're doing a great job. But governmental use isn't the ringing endorsement that you seem to think, because it has no bearing on actual widespread adoption.

Re:Losing Signal by omniglottal on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @12:14PM (#35153852)
Back in the day, I used to use BBSes via local dial-up. Everyone did, so you could expect BBSes were on the rise from so much usage. Meanwhilr, governments were stuck on ArpaNet and futzing around with some newfangled "TCP/IP" protocol. What good does government support even provide???
Re:Losing Signal by recuter on Monday March 13, 2023 @07:14PM (#35144566)
His entire point is that Matrix went for and is in the process of getting the larger goal right for the sake of long-term adoption at the cost of development time -- whereas Signal opted for worst-is-better limited-scope pragmatism for the sake of near-term adoption.

Whatever lesson you want to derive from this technical trade-off is up to you, but yeah the psychobabble about Moxie is absolutely tiresome.