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Re:Over 100 kids illegally employed in hazardous jobs, contr... by pphysch on Monday March 13, 2023 @01:45PM (#35139470)
Of course Tyson knows. Cheaper labor directly translates to increased profits. If Tyson and other megacorporations don't encourage this practice, they are leaving money on the table and violating their fiduciary duty.
Re:Over 100 kids illegally employed in hazardous jobs, contr... by Red_Leaves_Flyy on Monday March 13, 2023 @02:36PM (#35140327)
Jesus fucking Christ. The ease with which you justify child labor is extremely concerning. This is not fiduciary duty , this is illegal child labor, child trafficking, and potentially enslavement. Not to mention that where one finds illegal workers one tends to find child sexual exploitation because illegals don’t tend to report the crimes they’re victims of. This whole thing stinks and anyone justifying this outrageously immoral behavior is suspect.
Re:Over 100 kids illegally employed in hazardous jobs, contr... by pphysch on Monday March 13, 2023 @02:48PM (#35140504)
Explaining transnational capitalism != justifying atrocities. The ease at which you jump to personal attacks is extremely concerning.

I obviously do not condone the actions of Tyson here.

Re:Over 100 kids illegally employed in hazardous jobs, contr... by Ancapistani on Monday March 13, 2023 @03:05PM (#35140793)
> The ease with which you justify child labor is extremely concerning.

I don't see anyone justifying anything here.

I'm probably coming the closest to that, and I'm very carefully only trying to share my understanding that's based on living nearby and having at least some interactions with this community. I'm absolutely not defending or justifying anything; I'm pointing out that there are multiple perspectives here and that it's not quite so clear cut.

> Not to mention that where one finds illegal workers one tends to find child sexual exploitation because illegals don’t tend to report the crimes they’re victims of.

Please consider not using the term "illegals" to refer to people. "Illegal aliens" or "illegal immigrants" is at least marginally better, as it at least acknowledges that these are people we're talking about.

I'm not on the same side of this as most of HN seems to be - I hate to even bring it up, but it's relevant here to provide some background on my own views. I'm opposed to illegal immigration, "amnesty", and want to significantly increase border security. I'd summarize my overall position as wanting "A big, beautiful wall with big, beautiful open doors." Anyone who wants to come here should be able to do so, but we absolutely must know who is coming in, why, and be able to prevent known dangerous people from entering the country and disappearing.

None of the above is a reason to marginalize individual people and families. I don't go so far as to insist that people use milquetoast terms like "undocumented people", but I recognize that language impacts how we view things. These are people. Policies are driven by public opinion, and public opinion is driven by the language we use.

As for the point you're making, I agree. Much of these communities are living under the threat of deportation, and the rest inherits that distrust of authority. Crimes go unreported. We should definitely consider that when addressing issues that impact them.

Re:Over 100 kids illegally employed in hazardous jobs, contr... by onedognight on Monday March 13, 2023 @02:30PM (#35140247)
Their fiduciary duty is to violate the law to make money?
Re:Over 100 kids illegally employed in hazardous jobs, contr... by pphysch on Monday March 13, 2023 @02:50PM (#35140532)
If that is what it takes, sure. As long as the punishment is less than the reward, it's good business.
Re:Over 100 kids illegally employed in hazardous jobs, contr... by Ancapistani on Monday March 13, 2023 @03:11PM (#35140884)
If you have enough money to pay the fine without worrying about it, the fine is just "the price".
Re:Over 100 kids illegally employed in hazardous jobs, contr... by foogazi on Monday March 13, 2023 @05:48PM (#35143349)
Re:Over 100 kids illegally employed in hazardous jobs, contr... by qikInNdOutReply on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @03:53AM (#35148504)
That sounds like a sentence one could utter at every crime committed. Mob boss before court. This. Following orders at nuremberg. This. Fiduciary duty beets all other duties i guess.
Re:Over 100 kids illegally employed in hazardous jobs, contr... by pphysch on Tuesday March 14, 2023 @02:05PM (#35155788)
Well, yeah. If a CEO or lower level employee does not follow orders in the name of profit-reducing "ethics" they will be replaced with someone who does.

Welcome to capitalism.