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Re:Online tests suggest IQ scores in US dropped for first ti... by krona on Monday March 13, 2023 @07:06AM (#35134014)
> I don't think it's supposable to conclude that flynn effect is reversing

Lol, it's reversing all across western Europe and has been since birth cohorts starting around 1970. The Norwegian studies are the most cited AFAIK.

Re:Online tests suggest IQ scores in US dropped for first ti... by tgv on Monday March 13, 2023 @07:27AM (#35134186)
Here's an article about it, for those interested: https://www.sciencealert.com/iq-scores-falling-in-worrying-r...

They try to end the article with some feel-good hand-waiving, but so many things have changed since the mid 1970s, that it feels ridiculous to use lack of formal reasoning as an excuse. Since there's no data on it, nor on "fluid intelligence", there's no reason to assume later generations have more or less of either. If they do lack "crystallized intelligence", they did indeed become dumber.

Re:Online tests suggest IQ scores in US dropped for first ti... by impossiblefork on Monday March 13, 2023 @07:22AM (#35134143)
The researchers behind one of the Norwegian studies have made some very weird arguments in public statements that aren't part of their research.

They said that the drops in IQ are not explainable by immigration, but this is something that is only the case in their own study in Norway where the IQ drop was something like 1-1.2 points per decade, while the countries with big drops-- France and the UK have drops that are about 3.2-4.3 times higher.

Re:Online tests suggest IQ scores in US dropped for first ti... by yeahsure22 on Monday March 13, 2023 @07:37AM (#35134261)
You will do well to remember the racist history of IW tests. Maybe we should be celebrating that scores are going down on what is essentially a racist test.
Re:Online tests suggest IQ scores in US dropped for first ti... by influx on Monday March 13, 2023 @07:40AM (#35134292)
Can you expand on this a bit? How exactly are they racist?
Re:Online tests suggest IQ scores in US dropped for first ti... by DoctorOW on Monday March 13, 2023 @07:49AM (#35134365)
There's a lot of analysis on this that is really easy to Google, so this is just the gist. Essentially, intelligence is an abstract and subjective quality. IQ correlates with what the big names in academia agreed were "smart people", back when such institutions were largely racially segregated. In particular a numeric/"empirical" standard was pushed for to give more credibility to eugenics.
Re:Online tests suggest IQ scores in US dropped for first ti... by krona on Monday March 13, 2023 @11:08AM (#35136744)
IQ also correlates with many other other things such as reaction time and other real, measurable phenomena, so to say 'yeah but that's just like, your opinion' is nonsense.
Re:Online tests suggest IQ scores in US dropped for first ti... by DoctorOW on Monday March 13, 2023 @12:43PM (#35138288)
All things being equal IQ could have some value however, bearing in mind I'm simplifying here, not all things are equal. IQ is designed to quantify intelligence, not reaction time. Don't just go by the comments here, even mine. Look into the history of IQ tests, for what purpose they were designed, and what they really test for.
Re:Online tests suggest IQ scores in US dropped for first ti... by michaelt on Monday March 13, 2023 @08:18AM (#35134675)
One of the most oft-cited examples is of an intelligence test asking questions like "Dish is to place mat as teacup is to _____" where the correct answer is saucer - making the test biased in favour of people who use place mats and saucers at home.
Re:Online tests suggest IQ scores in US dropped for first ti... by krona on Monday March 13, 2023 @10:00AM (#35135823)
This is a bit of a strawman because IQ tests today rarely rely on language comprehension.
Re:Online tests suggest IQ scores in US dropped for first ti... by JohnBooty on Monday March 13, 2023 @04:11PM (#35141794)
I suspect that a familiarity level with western-style IQ tests may be part of the story as well.

I was issued such tests several times as a young child. The first time, I cried and did miserably. It was all so strange and unfamiliar. Had never seen logic puzzles before and didn't understand what they were asking of me.

My mom took me back a few weeks later and paid for me to re-take another IQ test. I did so well they placed me in "gifted" classes where I remained throughout my primary education. I didn't magically get smarter; I just became more comfortable with the test format.

I had a similar experience as an adult in my late 20s. Bought a Mensa book containing two practice exams. Took one and fell about 15 points (a full standard deviation!!!) shy of my childhood score. A week later I took the second test and equaled my childhood score almost exactly. Again, I am assuming I didn't sprout a bunch of new synaptic connections.

I suspect that second chances like these and familiarity with IQ tests in general correspond tightly with socioeconomic background. The more privilege you have, the more likely you are to get the chance to become comfortable with these sorts of tests and score closer to your maximum personal potential.

If I, an American, take an IQ test right now... I'm probably going to score better than somebody from another part of the world with equal intelligence who's never seen one of those tests before.

Re:Online tests suggest IQ scores in US dropped for first ti... by fallingknife on Monday March 13, 2023 @08:22AM (#35134711)
You start with the dogma that race isn't a real thing, and only a social construct and we know this to be true with 100% certainty. Then anything that shows a difference between races must be false, and also racist, or else the dogma isn't true.
Re:Online tests suggest IQ scores in US dropped for first ti... by tehjoker on Monday March 13, 2023 @07:40AM (#35134288)
They even cite "The Bell Curve" a famously racist text in this article.