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Re:What does Silicon Valley Bank’s collapse mean for the fin... by nradov on Friday March 10, 2023 @08:16PM (#35103937)
Why would they be bailed in? SVB is not systemically important. The FDIC will wind it up just like any other small failed bank.
Re:What does Silicon Valley Bank’s collapse mean for the fin... by ttul on Friday March 10, 2023 @08:26PM (#35104039)
It’s the second largest bank failure ever in the United States.
Re:What does Silicon Valley Bank’s collapse mean for the fin... by cm2187 on Friday March 10, 2023 @08:18PM (#35103962)
200bn assets is a big bank. Lehman was 600bn and look what it caused.
Re:What does Silicon Valley Bank’s collapse mean for the fin... by dragontamer on Friday March 10, 2023 @08:27PM (#35104049)
Bear Sterns fell first, at $350 Billion in assets.

The issue in 2008 was that the banks were doing a domino effect on each other. We don't see any such signs of that with Silicon Valley bank, and SIVB is smaller than Bear Sterns (and other banks) from 2007 crisis.

Re:What does Silicon Valley Bank’s collapse mean for the fin... by cm2187 on Friday March 10, 2023 @08:32PM (#35104106)
Well Bear Sterns never went bust, it was bailed out.

The issue in 2008 is rather that institutional investors (mostly money market funds) ceased to lend to banks, or only overnight. I am not saying that the banking system is as fragile as in 2008, it is clearly not. But it only takes a panic to cause another post-Lehman contagion across the financial system.

Re:What does Silicon Valley Bank’s collapse mean for the fin... by cameldrv on Friday March 10, 2023 @09:40PM (#35104573)
There was a domino effect, but a number of banks had the same root problem -- MBS held on their books at higher than their true value. Bear Stearns just happened to have a whole lot of the worst MBS, so it went down first.

In this case, a number of banks are holding a lot of long-term debt as "hold til maturity", so they're not recognizing on their books that it has lost value due to rising interest rates.

Re:What does Silicon Valley Bank’s collapse mean for the fin... by FormerBandmate on Friday March 10, 2023 @09:42PM (#35104583)
> We don't see any such signs of that with Silicon Valley bank

Yet. They were pretty important to the startup ecosystem, and the rise in fear could imperil some of the banks that were sick already

Re:What does Silicon Valley Bank’s collapse mean for the fin... by timy2shoes on Friday March 10, 2023 @08:20PM (#35103974)
Lehman was a symptom of a larger problem associated with mortgage backed securities, not a cause of the problem.
Re:What does Silicon Valley Bank’s collapse mean for the fin... by TheAlchemist on Friday March 10, 2023 @08:32PM (#35104102)
Funnily enough, the root cause of the problem for SVP are ... mortgage backed securities !
Re:What does Silicon Valley Bank’s collapse mean for the fin... by giantrobot on Friday March 10, 2023 @09:04PM (#35104340)
So you're saying I should invest heavily into mortgage backed securities? Got it!
Re:What does Silicon Valley Bank’s collapse mean for the fin... by hedora on Friday March 10, 2023 @10:17PM (#35104842)
Buy low! Now’s your chance!
Re:What does Silicon Valley Bank’s collapse mean for the fin... by mcarmichael on Friday March 10, 2023 @10:57PM (#35105119)
The really troublesome securities of the Global Financial Crisis were complex derivatives of private-label, almost universally sub-prime, asset-backed-securities:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collateralized_debt_obligation

The standardized, so-called "agency" MBS on the SVB books really isn't anything like that CDO plague. In 2008, people were losing faith in the ability to even assign valuations to CDOs; SVB's problem with their MBS portfolio is that the current market valuation is obviously not what they needed it to be just now.

Re:What does Silicon Valley Bank’s collapse mean for the fin... by chollida1 on Friday March 10, 2023 @10:51PM (#35105075)
Completely different situation

SVB is a relatively meaningless bank that can go under with very few knock on effects to the banking system.

Lehman was atop 4 or 5 player in the financial space when it went under and. A major pillar that propped up the system.

The two are so completely different in their importance.

Asset size does very little to show this though so I understand why at a first order look one might get the idea that they are comparable.

Re:What does Silicon Valley Bank’s collapse mean for the fin... by kordlessagain on Friday March 10, 2023 @10:56PM (#35105107)
The Times says stock prices of other banks fell as concern spread that they could also be facing similar problems. First Republic Bank in California fell 16.5 percent, Signature Bank in New York more than 12 percent and Zions Bancorporation 11.4 percent.