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Re:GPT-4 is coming next week – and it will be multimodal, sa... by lumost on Thursday March 09, 2023 @09:22PM (#35089659)
There is substantial evidence that cross training on multiple tasks improves performance.

ChatGPT struggles with intuition about the world, if it has image/video knowledge than it can potentially reason about what happens when you flip a plate upside down.

Re:GPT-4 is coming next week – and it will be multimodal, sa... by mortenjorck on Thursday March 09, 2023 @10:04PM (#35089929)
I wonder if there’s any reason this wouldn’t also apply in reverse: could a corpus of textual training data from which the role of a hand can be derived (including the fact that it naturally has five fingers) help DALL-E reliably render hands correctly?
Re:GPT-4 is coming next week – and it will be multimodal, sa... by lumost on Thursday March 09, 2023 @10:13PM (#35089966)
Almost certainly. There is a vast corpus of text which references hands and what they are used for. Likewise there is a vast corpus of images which include hands. A sufficiently advanced statistical model can infer that any image with 6 fingers is a fabrication provided that it has learned how to classify fingers and has enough linguistic knowledge. Contrast this situation with a primarily image based model which will struggle to differentiate what situations detailed hands appear in compared with a patterned rug.

There is an interesting “takeoff” point where models are able to generate enough “interesting” data to train themselves. Asking chatGPT for ml training data on various tasks makes me think we are close to that inflection point.

Re:GPT-4 is coming next week – and it will be multimodal, sa... by noah_buddy on Thursday March 09, 2023 @10:39PM (#35090099)
Can’t wait for AI to tell people with atypical bodies that they don’t exist.
Re:GPT-4 is coming next week – and it will be multimodal, sa... by lumost on Thursday March 09, 2023 @11:02PM (#35090210)
Definitely a bias, chatGPT will likely believe that only individuals with figures similar to models are real.
Re:GPT-4 is coming next week – and it will be multimodal, sa... by IIAOPSW on Thursday March 09, 2023 @11:18PM (#35090322)
The hands on the clock pointed to 15 past 2...

Dalle/GPT: that's not right, there should be 5 fingers on this clock.

Re:GPT-4 is coming next week – and it will be multimodal, sa... by fnordpiglet on Friday March 10, 2023 @12:40AM (#35090818)
I think it would say “My name is Inigo Montoya. You Killed my Father. Prepare to die.”
Re:GPT-4 is coming next week – and it will be multimodal, sa... by gwern on Friday March 10, 2023 @10:06AM (#35095186)
One of the biggest improvements to text models like Image/Parti which are much better than Stable Diffusion is that they typically either train a much larger text model from scratch, or plug in a very good pre-trained text model like T5. This instantly upgrades their images.

It turns out that the image models already understand the low-level details of images well, and it's high-level reasoning/composition that is screwing their samples up - which is due to the poor text embedding they receive as a summary. (You can't generate a good image of 'a blue ball left of a red ball' if your text embedding is confused what 'left' is, no matter how high quality you are able to generate 'blue ball' or 'red ball' individually.) So, I would not be surprised if hands are improved by simply using a much better text model. (And why not plug in GPT-3 or PaLM for even better results...)

That said, hands are also like text-inside-images in being small, highly variable, and intrinsically difficult. And we know that the larger models solve text rendering simply by scaling up an OOM or 2 past SD. (You can see this from the text samples in the papers, and also more recently from Stability's Deep Floyd samples they've been teasing on Twitter.) So either way, scaling will probably solve hands soon.

Re:GPT-4 is coming next week – and it will be multimodal, sa... by WoodenChair on Thursday March 09, 2023 @11:47PM (#35090496)
It doesn’t “reason.” It predicts.
Re:GPT-4 is coming next week – and it will be multimodal, sa... by IIAOPSW on Friday March 10, 2023 @02:29AM (#35091511)
In the limit of 100% certainty, is prediction any different from reasoning?
Re:GPT-4 is coming next week – and it will be multimodal, sa... by jamilton on Friday March 10, 2023 @01:14AM (#35091020)
Cross-training doesn't always help, I think the architecture is still being worked out. I can't remember the name of it but Google had some multimodal model they released a paper for, maybe six months or a year ago, and it did slightly worse than SOTA ("negative transfer" is the term they used for doing worse from additional modalities), and I recall the paper talking about how reaching near-parity with single mode models was an improvement.

One of their new models, PaLM-E, does show some positive transfer, so it's definitely a potential path for increased capabilities.