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Re:There’s no such thing as a tree (phylogenetically) by proc0 on Thursday March 09, 2023 @04:49PM (#35087218)
So some fruits are also vegetables? That doesn't seem right. I would think they're mutually exclusive because fruit is more precisely defined. If tomato is a fruit, then necessarily it is not a vegetable. It's a simple distinction between the product of a plant (what it produces) and parts of the plant.
Re:There’s no such thing as a tree (phylogenetically) by brianpan on Thursday March 09, 2023 @05:13PM (#35087533)
They are not mutually exclusive because they are defined in orthogonal ways.

"Vegetable" is defined by how a plant is cooked and eaten, and so has a lot of cultural and context specific influences. A vegetable can be a root (potato), a stalk (celery), a fruit (cucumber), seeds (beans), even non-plant fungi (mushroom).

A fruit has a very specific definition (especially in a biological or botanical usage). It's the "seed-bearing structure in flowering plants that is formed from the ovary after flowering" (Wikipedia).

The part of the cucumber we eat is the fruit (you can see its seeds). But the way we prepare and eat it means we classify it as a vegetable.

Re:There’s no such thing as a tree (phylogenetically) by rovolo on Thursday March 09, 2023 @05:06PM (#35087455)
The common way to distinguish between the definitions is to say a tomato is a culinary vegetable and a botanical fruit, but not a culinary fruit.

> The question of whether the tomato is a fruit or a vegetable found its way into the United States Supreme Court in 1893. The court ruled unanimously in Nix v. Hedden that a tomato is correctly identified as, and thus taxed as, a vegetable, for the purposes of the Tariff of 1883 on imported produce. The court did acknowledge, however, that, botanically speaking, a tomato is a fruit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetable#Terminology