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Re:Governments Should Compete for Residents, Not Businesses by rayiner on Thursday March 09, 2023 @02:23PM (#35085436)
> No, it's not fine. There isn't a good kind of racism and a bad kind of racism.

It’s not “racism” at all because it has nothing to do with “race,” which is a superficial construct. It’s about substantive differences in people’s worldview, beliefs, values, etc., which are relevant to living with people in communities and sharing a government with people.

> But you're making, and re-making, a case for excluding people because their differences of religion (your example) and culture make native-born people unhappy. That's not OK, and I'm pretty sure I've got the founders on my side of this argument.

Whether the founders envisioned it or not has nothing to do with whether it’s “racism.”

Besides that, the founders were not multiculturalists. America at the time was a collection of mostly monocultural communities. Massachusetts and several other states still had an established church. The founders created a framework where those disparate groups could cooperate in a limited fashion through a federal government of limited and enumerated powers.

That ship, however, said long ago. If a federal Department of Education exists and the federal government says that 99.9% Protestant communities in Iowa can’t have prayer in schools you can’t invoke what the framers thought about how pluralism should work.

Re:Governments Should Compete for Residents, Not Businesses by tptacek on Thursday March 09, 2023 @02:51PM (#35085737)
Madison, in considering whether the legislature should be limited to native-born citizens, had this to say:

"[T]he door of this part of the federal government is open to merit of every description, whether native or adoptive, whether young or old, and without regard to poverty or wealth, or to any particular profession of religious faith."

There may be countries in the world that don't have a moral obligation to allow people from different cultures and religions (I'm avoiding "values" here, since it's a squiggly concept). But we're not one of them.

Re:Governments Should Compete for Residents, Not Businesses by rayiner on Thursday March 09, 2023 @04:39PM (#35087103)
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Re:Governments Should Compete for Residents, Not Businesses by tptacek on Thursday March 09, 2023 @09:01PM (#35089542)
This isn't an over-generalization of the founders intent. It is the founders directly, clearly stated intent. I'm doing literally no extrapolation at all: you can just crack open Federalist 52 or whatever and read away.
Re:Governments Should Compete for Residents, Not Businesses by rayiner on Friday March 10, 2023 @09:12AM (#35094486)
Here is Federalist 52: https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed52.asp

Show me where it says there is a moral obligation to accept immigrants who will move into your community and change its culture? You’re reading all that into a single sentence:

“A representative of the United States must be of the age of twenty-five years; must have been seven years a citizen of the United States; must, at the time of his election, be an inhabitant of the State he is to represent; and, during the time of his service, must be in no office under the United States. Under these reasonable limitations, the door of this part of the federal government is open to merit of every description, whether native or adoptive, whether young or old, and without regard to poverty or wealth, or to any particular profession of religious faith.”

The sentence is saying that elected office should be broadly available to all citizens, which is a point nobody is disputing.

Re:Governments Should Compete for Residents, Not Businesses by euroclydon on Friday March 10, 2023 @07:45AM (#35093682)
Re:Governments Should Compete for Residents, Not Businesses by rayiner on Friday March 10, 2023 @10:05AM (#35095171)
Ironically, the INS Act of 1965 was sold to the public with a lie: https://www.history.com/news/immigration-act-1965-changes

> The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants,” lead supporter Sen. Edward “Ted” Kennedy (D-Mass.) told the Senate during debate. “It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs.”