Re:On Chomsky and the Two Cultures of Statistical Learning
by BoardsOfCanada on Thursday March 09, 2023 @11:27AM
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I think that part of Chomsky's argument would be that language primarily is a tool for thinking and reasoning, and that the externalization and use for communication came later (I remember this from a lecture of his). In that view "language" of an AI is not the same as human language, while flight is flight regardless if it's mechanical or biological.
Re:On Chomsky and the Two Cultures of Statistical Learning
by robg on Thursday March 09, 2023 @11:31AM
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Jerry Fodor used to write of mentalese. It’s a fair criticism. And yet generative AI is showing that the models can be creative in ways that look like thinking outside of language.
Re:On Chomsky and the Two Cultures of Statistical Learning
by foobarqux on Thursday March 09, 2023 @11:42AM
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Chomsky has explicitly made the distinction between the difference between a useful tool and science, which tries to explain things. In fact he does it almost every time he talks about this subject.
Re:On Chomsky and the Two Cultures of Statistical Learning
by paganel on Thursday March 09, 2023 @11:27AM
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It’s a valid criticism.
What today’s “language” models do is that they have been able to scale up the implementation of the Mechanical Turk problem. They have done that quite well, give or take a few errors.
The issue is that there’s a whole another world outside of the “answers” provided by Mechanicak Turk-like solutions, this is what guys like Chomsky allude to.
Re:On Chomsky and the Two Cultures of Statistical Learning
by m_nyongesa on Thursday March 09, 2023 @12:25PM
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The major difference between the airplane flying example and the computer language reproduction model example is that we actually understand how aerodynamics and flight work, so we understand very well how an airplane flies (it doesn't just "replicate" flight).
We don't understand how the human brain works so that our minds can acquire language.
Re:On Chomsky and the Two Cultures of Statistical Learning
by wesleychen on Thursday March 09, 2023 @01:04PM
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Explanations of how airplanes fly are remarkably similar to explanations of how LNNs work: https://www.wired.com/story/theres-no-one-way-to-explain-how...
You have probably heard of the explanation that the curvature of the airplane's wings generates lift. However, this is wrong (as explained in the article) and can't explain observable phenomena such as planes flying upside down.
Suppose you’re the Wright Brothers and you built a flying machine.
Chomsky’s response would be: But you didn’t explain how birds fly.
On the one hand, sure. Birds fly differently. On the other, the machine flies. Why does it need to explain all of flight?
The same is true of language models. They don’t explain how we acquire language. But they replicate language uses in ways that look like language speakers.