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Re:On Chomsky and the Two Cultures of Statistical Learning by aj7 on Thursday March 09, 2023 @11:16AM (#35082877)
Then all scientific theories are “models.” And we are just very advanced “computers.” Nope.

The first sentence is wrong. And the second sentence is why we play the game.

Re:On Chomsky and the Two Cultures of Statistical Learning by dekhn on Thursday March 09, 2023 @11:27AM (#35083032)
I think you're coming at this from a dogmatic interpretation and it's making it hard for you to see the alternate perspective.

All scientific theories are models; that's generally considered true by nearly all scientists. What would a theory be if it's not a model?

Re:On Chomsky and the Two Cultures of Statistical Learning by pdonis on Thursday March 09, 2023 @11:24AM (#35082997)
> all scientific theories are “models.”

That's correct. They are. As the saying goes, all models are wrong but some are useful.

> And we are just very advanced “computers.”

To a physicalist, yes, this is true.

Re:On Chomsky and the Two Cultures of Statistical Learning by xapata on Thursday March 09, 2023 @11:20AM (#35082934)
Is the use of those quoted words what you dislike? Would you have a different sense of it if we replaced those words with "foo" and "bar" so that we could use more nuanced concepts?
Re:On Chomsky and the Two Cultures of Statistical Learning by bmitc on Thursday March 09, 2023 @04:15PM (#35086824)
> Then all scientific theories are “models.”

I may be missing the context of what you mean by model and somewhat agree with your original critique of Norvig's comment. However, scientific theories are nothing but models. For example, general relativity is not gravity but is instead a model of gravity. Quantum mechanics describes quantum behavior but it is not quantum behavior. It is a model of quantum behavior.

When physicists say "is", they mean "is modeled by" or "is a model of", whether they think so or not. None of the mathematics, or physics, or what have you is the actual thing. They are nothing but models of the actual thing that have varying degrees of accuracy and precision.