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Re:The privacy loophole in your doorbell by JohnFen on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @05:44PM (#35075821)
If you're assuming the cops and the judges are so corrupt that the safeguard of the subpoena process is worthless, then you also have to think of everything you own being subject to seizure. Not just data.
Re:The privacy loophole in your doorbell by aidenn0 on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @05:47PM (#35075850)
I think you are talking past each other. If a crime (not committed by you) happens near your security camera, then your footage can be subpoenaed. This is not corruption or a violation of the subpoena safeguard process. I agree that it's a bit over-the-top to say "you don't own the footage." just because of this, but that appears to be the point that is being made.
Re:The privacy loophole in your doorbell by JohnFen on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @06:00PM (#35075980)
Yes, I understand.

I think the issue, really, is a philosophical disagreement. I think that if the police are to be able to investigate crime, they need to have some invasive powers. But they also shouldn't be trusted to use them without controls. The subpoena (and warrant) process is the control we have in the US. I don't think the existence of this ability is, itself, a serious violation of rights.

Other people may legitimately disagree.

There is also a serious discussion that could be had about whether the controls are sufficient, but that's a procedural issue rather than a philosophical one.

Re:The privacy loophole in your doorbell by asveikau on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @07:37PM (#35076815)
> This is not corruption or a violation of the subpoena safeguard process

Not if it ends there and cops make the right decisions. However it's a legitimate concern that an overly broad police investigation, even after a real crime happens, might lead bad/lazy/dishonest cops to wrongfully acuse someone unrelated.