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Re:AI is making it easier to create more noise, when all I w... by gibsonf1 on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @10:20AM (#35070057)
Actually, not very easy as the LLMs don't give you sources and literally make things up by design.
Re:AI is making it easier to create more noise, when all I w... by sometdog on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @10:36AM (#35070283)
That is true, but you can combine LLMs with other tools to get sourcing and more accurate answers overall. Instead of using the LLM to directly answer a question, you can use the question to search for relevant text in a particular knowledgebase, and then use the LLM to summarize those results.
Re:AI is making it easier to create more noise, when all I w... by gibsonf1 on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @10:40AM (#35070344)
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Re:AI is making it easier to create more noise, when all I w... by raincole on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @11:49AM (#35071343)
I've personally replaced Google with Bing Chat for technical things (like searching for specific API). Does it make things up? Maybe. But in my experience it never happes even once in past whole week (>100 times of searchs).

It's not "it happened but you just didn't notice..." if it uses a function call wrong I'd have noticed. My code won't compile. My test won't pass.

So far it either gives me 100% correct result, or completely fails. But it doesn't generate "seemingly correct but actually wrong" things even once, unlike ChatGPT.

Re:AI is making it easier to create more noise, when all I w... by autonomousErwin on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @05:15PM (#35075505)
I find this the killer application for ChatGPT (at least for now). Answers you can very quickly verify and care little about the sources because a significant no. of answers on Stack Overflow make ChatGPT look modest in confidence comparison
Re:AI is making it easier to create more noise, when all I w... by throwuwu on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @12:45PM (#35072194)
Biased much?
Re:AI is making it easier to create more noise, when all I w... by DebtDeflation on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @02:10PM (#35073386)
>use the question to search for relevant text in a particular knowledgebase, and then use the LLM to summarize those results

As a consultant, based on personal experience, I can say that what you wrote above constitutes >90% of current enterprise use cases for ChatGPT. What clients REALLY want to do is be able to take a pre-trained LLM and then train it further on their own corpus of documents, but given limitations around token window size, the above is probably the best way to fake it for now.

Re:AI is making it easier to create more noise, when all I w... by jsheard on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @10:26AM (#35070135)
They do give sources if you ask for them... but have a habit of inventing plausible sounding but completely fake sources

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33841672

That example is a few months old but OpenAI doesn't seem to have made much progress there, it's still trivial to reproduce

Re:AI is making it easier to create more noise, when all I w... by gibsonf1 on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @10:42AM (#35070360)
Right, they just make all things up by design, no matter what you ask about. There is a statistical chance that a pattern of words output may correspond to fact but just as a good a chance not. The LLM's literally know nothing about the world, its just statistical word pattern output.
Re:AI is making it easier to create more noise, when all I w... by mrguyorama on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @12:16PM (#35071773)
Lies and falsehoods are just as valid sentences as the truth.
Re:AI is making it easier to create more noise, when all I w... by aledalgrande on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @11:27AM (#35071017)
I got so many links to github repos which didn't exist lol
Re:AI is making it easier to create more noise, when all I w... by visarga on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @02:21PM (#35073512)
Somebody went as far as contacting the author of a paper based on chatGPT suggestion. Of course the author was pretty sure he never heard of that paper.
Re:AI is making it easier to create more noise, when all I w... by jerf on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @02:34PM (#35073680)
"They do give sources if you ask for them... but have a habit of inventing plausible sounding but completely fake sources."

Basically, the way you want to think about it is, no, they can not give sources. That information is not in their neural net. It can't be. There isn't anywhere to encode or represent it.

What they can do is make a guess what a source might look like, but even if they are right, it is only because they happened to guess correctly, not because they knew the source. They don't. They can't.

It isn't that "they give sources but they might be wrong", it is "they will make up plausible-sounding sources if you ask just as they'll make up plausible-sounding anything else you ask for, and there's a small chance they'll be right by luck". For more normal factual-type questions part of the reason they are useful is that there's a good chance they'll be right by what is still essentially luck, but for sources in particular there's a particularly small chance, by the nature of the thing.

Re:AI is making it easier to create more noise, when all I w... by sam0x17 on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @02:58PM (#35073961)
That said with enough training and training data, the line between "plausible sounding" and "accurate" gets thinner and thinner. This will be especially true as these AI models refine their results based on user interactions. Being right for the wrong reasons becomes less and less relevant the higher the accuracy goes up, and at a certain point, it might get so good that no one cares.

Maybe human intelligence is more like that than we're willing to admit ;)

Re:AI is making it easier to create more noise, when all I w... by jerf on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @03:13PM (#35074115)
Source identification isn't a space amenable to guessing, no matter how much data you throw at it.

Here's an exercise you can try: Cite some information from the next issue of Science to be published. Cite anything you like from it.

You can make some plausible stuff up. You could make even more plausible stuff up if you went and scanned over the past few issues first. But without specific knowledge of the contents of the next issue, you aren't going to be able to create real citations. This is what LLMs lack, by their nature. It's not a criticism, it's a description.

You can't guess sources. The possibility space is too large, the distribution too pathological, and the criteria for being correct too precise.

GPT will never cite sources correctly. Some future AI that uses GPT as a component, but isn't entirely made out of a language model, will be able to, by pulling it out of the non-GPT component. Maybe it'll need to be built as an explicit feature, maybe it won't, only time can tell. But expecting language models to cite sources correctly is not sensible. It's just not a thing they can do.

Re:AI is making it easier to create more noise, when all I w... by mark_l_watson on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @12:10PM (#35071673)
The web demo version of ChatGPT can sometimes, as you say, make things up! I asked it a question about an ancient war in Greece and it stated two facts and then just inventing stuff.

However, I would ask you to also consider something: when you supply prompt input text (this is the "context text" in the ChatGPT API calls) and then ask questions about the context text, it is very accurate. It also does a very good job when you give it context text from a few different sources, and it integrates them nicely.

It is more efficient to use embeddings for context text, as Llama-Index does.

Re:AI is making it easier to create more noise, when all I w... by nico on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @02:17PM (#35073467)
Do you have shareable links to good tutorials about using embeddings with ChatGPT for this case?
Re:AI is making it easier to create more noise, when all I w... by mark_l_watson on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @07:57PM (#35076974)
Re:AI is making it easier to create more noise, when all I w... by nico on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @09:43PM (#35077774)
Awesome, thank you!
Re:AI is making it easier to create more noise, when all I w... by politician on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @01:45PM (#35073067)
Only about 10% of the links I ask for don't resolve.
Re:AI is making it easier to create more noise, when all I w... by joshspankit on Saturday March 11, 2023 @09:26AM (#35108496)
For AIs to replace search, they will end up giving sources.

Search for users is “how can I find the correct answer” but the part of search that runs the capitalist machine is for experts to say “how can I prove my expertise while I monetize it?” and that means those experts need to be cited.