The Decline of Net Neutrality Activism

Re:The Decline of Net Neutrality Activism by tptacek on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @11:56PM (#35065433)

Which ISP would you pick, the one that works with every conferencing system, or the one that deliberately blocks some of those conferencing systems in the small markets where they have a monopoly? Second question: which market segment does a typical ISP care more about, the small markets where they have a monopoly, or the large markets where they compete?

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Re:The Decline of Net Neutrality Activism by AnthonyMouse on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @12:06AM (#35065485)

> Which ISP would you pick, the one that works with every conferencing system, or the one that deliberately blocks some of those conferencing systems in the small markets where they have a monopoly?

They don't block the conferencing systems in the regions where they have an ISP monopoly, they block them for all their users because they have a monopoly on the network path to those users. The conferencing system needs to be able to reach 100% of its own customers' users or they'll be bleeding customers faster than the ISP does, so they blink first and pay, after which the ISP's customers have no reason to switch because the conferencing system is working.

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Re:The Decline of Net Neutrality Activism by tptacek on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @12:29AM (#35065589)

Which ISP does that? My subtext is that ISPs don't block things like this, because even though they have regional monopolies in small markets, they make a large fraction of their profits in large markets where they have to compete.

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Re:The Decline of Net Neutrality Activism by AnthonyMouse on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @12:41AM (#35065653)

This was a public example:

https://techcrunch.com/2014/04/28/netflix-inks-peering-deal-...

But another issue is that if it isn't banned, it can happen in private. The ISP doesn't need to actually throttle the target's traffic if it can credibly threaten to and force them into a contract with an NDA, so we have no way to know how widespread it is.

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Re:The Decline of Net Neutrality Activism by tptacek on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @01:24AM (#35065882)

That's not an example of an ISP blocking a service?

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Re:The Decline of Net Neutrality Activism by AnthonyMouse on Wednesday March 08, 2023 @01:55AM (#35066045)

They caused the service to be non-functional. Your objection is to the method of degrading the service?

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