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Re:7 Weeks AI Alignment Curriculum by onos on Sunday March 05, 2023 @12:53PM (#35032053)
I’ve never heard this term “AI alignment” before and they also don’t define it…
Re:7 Weeks AI Alignment Curriculum by codeflo on Sunday March 05, 2023 @01:08PM (#35032237)
The point is "aligning the AI's goals with human interests", i.e. make the AI non-evil.

You're somewhat lucky to never have gone down that particular rabbit hole. Some strange, but also seemingly very intelligent people on the internet argue that it's the most significant extinction risk humanity faces. My impression is that actual AI/ML researchers believe this to be mostly bullshit. (I'm personally not qualified to decide, just explaining the positions.)

The author of this curriculum seems to define it as:

> Within the coming decades, artificial general intelligence (AGI) may surpass human capabilities at a wide range of important tasks. We outline a case for expecting that, without substantial effort to prevent it, AGIs could learn to pursue goals which are undesirable (i.e. misaligned) from a human perspective. We argue that if AGIs are trained in ways similar to today’s most capable models, they could learn to act deceptively to receive higher reward, learn internally-represented goals which generalize beyond their training distributions, and pursue those goals using power-seeking strategies. We outline how the deployment of misaligned AGIs might irreversibly undermine human control over the world, and briefly review research directions aimed at preventing this outcome.

This is from here, which I haven't read, but found three links deep on the posted site: https://arxiv.org/abs/2209.00626

Re:7 Weeks AI Alignment Curriculum by random314 on Sunday March 05, 2023 @01:42PM (#35032579)
To be clear the author of the AGI course is a recent physics grad with no experience in AI
Re:7 Weeks AI Alignment Curriculum by jwilber on Sunday March 05, 2023 @02:32PM (#35033057)
You mean the 3 YouTube videos he mentioned in the optional ML section don’t qualify as experience?
Re:7 Weeks AI Alignment Curriculum by mitthrowaway2 on Sunday March 05, 2023 @02:06PM (#35032802)
You've mentioned this ad-hominem several times. What's your background?
Re:7 Weeks AI Alignment Curriculum by random314 on Sunday March 05, 2023 @04:46PM (#35034333)
ML and data science :) Have a decade of experience including FAANG and a published peer reviewed paper.
Re:7 Weeks AI Alignment Curriculum by Max_Limelihood on Sunday March 05, 2023 @02:07PM (#35032803)
Actual AI researchers have wildly different opinions on this; IME, going off all the AI researchers I’ve talked to, they tend to split about 50/50.
Re:7 Weeks AI Alignment Curriculum by random314 on Sunday March 05, 2023 @01:41PM (#35032570)
It's a "well defined" term in the crackpot side of AI, represented by lesswrong et al, who are self appointed AI experts who have never published any actual peer reviewed research in AI.
Re:7 Weeks AI Alignment Curriculum by Max_Limelihood on Sunday March 05, 2023 @02:05PM (#35032786)
Self-appointed by the boards of directors at major companies and universities? https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/05/22/ai-researchers-on-ai-r...

And no peer-reviewed research, apart from the dozens of widely-cited academic papers on this? All of these are just from one lab, not even including groups like CHAI: https://www.anthropic.com/#papers

Re:7 Weeks AI Alignment Curriculum by random314 on Sunday March 05, 2023 @05:02PM (#35034546)
> And no peer-reviewed research, apart from the dozens of widely-cited academic papers on this? All of these are just from one lab, not even including groups like CHAI: https://www.anthropic.com/#papers

Which of these papers track AGI Safety and are also published in peer reviewed journals like SIGKDD, NeurIPS, AAAI etc?

Re:7 Weeks AI Alignment Curriculum by mchaver on Sunday March 05, 2023 @03:25PM (#35033597)
OpenAI mentions AI Alignment and they are currently at the forefront of pushing AI on the world so it is not just that community, though I wouldn't be surprised if many employees at OpenAI participate there.

https://openai.com/blog/our-approach-to-alignment-research

Re:7 Weeks AI Alignment Curriculum by random314 on Sunday March 05, 2023 @05:14PM (#35034662)
Open AI is one of the actual research organizations promoting AI Safety work. However, this has more to do with funding and the money put up front by the original founders - Elon Musk, Sam Altman etc, who themselves are not AI researchers, yet AGI enthusiasts.

Open AI published a number of papers, essentially and implicitly supporting the position of the AI inexperienced founders. They try to highlight AI safety aspects quite frequently. But I would not take it too seriously, just like you wouldn't take a Facebook employees endorsement of Zucks vision.

If you are familiar with ML, you would know that L2 norms are a key optimization metric in ML. L2 norms are basically Pythagorean hypotenuse computations in high dimensions. I will take AI safety research seriously when they start discussing the risk factors associated with Pythagoras theorem and how we as a society must deal with it before we become a slave to L2 norm driven super intelligence.

If you want to really talk about human risk from AI, Tesla's self driving killing machines are already here along with ML guided drone bombers. It's no different from Therac 25. If we are not discussing these and creating a course about super intelligence, it's just mental masturbation.

Re:7 Weeks AI Alignment Curriculum by mchaver on Monday March 06, 2023 @09:18AM (#35041270)
Thanks for the response. My hope for AI Alignment studies is that it would be something rigorous and theoretical and be testable in current AI safety issues. Much like studies of abstract algorithms can be compared and contrast with the runtime of actual algorithms.

What I have seen in LessWrong is lots extrapolations upon extrapolations with worse case scenarios just to say there is nothing we can do. That seems to take away from any serious research that might exist since they are probably the best known community associated with AI Alignment.

Re:7 Weeks AI Alignment Curriculum by layer8 on Sunday March 05, 2023 @01:00PM (#35032139)
Re:7 Weeks AI Alignment Curriculum by carapace on Sunday March 05, 2023 @12:56PM (#35032095)
You know, chaotic neutral or lawful good, etc...