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Re:Identifying as an Artist by JKCalhoun on Friday March 03, 2023 @09:15PM (#35017468)
Stumbled on the documentary "David Lynch: The Art Life" before YouTube took it down.

That and "Crumb" are a couple of films that convinced me that some people just are artists. It's not ego, or some desire to be eccentric ... they can't help it. They live "the art life", damn the consequences.

You could handily list any number of other people (John Waters just came to mind).

Similar to the author of the blog post, I have sort of demurred when asked if I was an artist. Partly it sounds arrogant to say, "Why, yes I am."

Partly it seemed to be a thing in the eye of the beholder. "I don't know, do you think I am an artist?" Plenty of people don't think Andy Warhol was an artist, Jackson Pollock....

Sometimes I have treated "artist" as a profession. Do I get paid for my art? Why no, I do not. I get paid for programming. Although when I write a game I am both programmer and "game artist". (Or is perhaps designing an elegant API for a framework a kind of art form? Okay, maybe not.)

If an artist can be a hobbyist the way many of us are amateur musicians, woodworkers, cooks, mechanics, (construction contractors), in our spare time then, yes, many of us are artists.

I think the older I get though (and maybe the more films I see about artists) I am slowly coming to accept that, sure, I'm an artist too. Just maybe not a very good one.

Re:Identifying as an Artist by pasquinelli on Friday March 03, 2023 @10:10PM (#35017771)
that's a shame "the art life" was taken down, it was a really interesting film.
Re:Identifying as an Artist by jolmg on Friday March 03, 2023 @11:16PM (#35018113)
When I searched for it just now, it appeared on Amazon Prime Video.
Re:Identifying as an Artist by bookofjoe on Saturday March 04, 2023 @08:11AM (#35020523)
Re:Identifying as an Artist by colinflane on Friday March 03, 2023 @10:10PM (#35017776)
If you enjoyed, or at least "got" something out of the Lynch, you might also the film documentary 'Jodorowsky's Dune'. Is a man with a fantastic vision he is unable to instantiate, an artist? Asking for a friend.
Re:Identifying as an Artist by jackstraw14 on Saturday March 04, 2023 @02:14AM (#35018920)
> Is a man with a fantastic vision he is unable to instantiate, an artist?

I haven't seen the film but this is the defining part of the "artist" title for me. It's not that he wasn't able to instantiate his vision, but he made an attempt and that attempt had an impact on others. That is the art, and it's all performance. The instantiation doesn't matter so much as a message with receivers. If the receivers of whatever happened with his Dune weren't there, then I guess I would still call it something like a "lost" art. Still art, but unrecognized as such. And I'm not sure that would have mattered to the artist anyway.

Re:Identifying as an Artist by VladimirGolovin on Saturday March 04, 2023 @02:52AM (#35019076)
An artist, per Steven Pressfield, the author of "The War of Art", is someone who makes art. A painter paints, a writer writes, a musician makes music. So, if a person with a fantastic vision is putting out actual effort towards instantiating that vision, that person is an artist. On the other hand, if the fantastic vision remains purely a dream or a wish, they are not.

By the way, "The War of Art", and its sequel, "Turning Pro" are fantastic books on this topic. These books would be my number one recommendation to anyohe who aspires to be an artist.

Re:Identifying as an Artist by kashunstva on Saturday March 04, 2023 @05:32AM (#35019855)
Pressfield, no stranger to this tension would describe the sort of tension around identity as a form of Resistance. I just want to mention that he wrote another very motivating sequel to “The War of Art” last year entitled “Put Your Ass Where Your Heart Wants to Be”. It takes a more practical approach to becoming and _being_ an artist.
Re:Identifying as an Artist by pram on Saturday March 04, 2023 @06:55AM (#35020208)
Jodorowsky has other films lol
Re:Identifying as an Artist by pavlov on Saturday March 04, 2023 @06:59AM (#35020220)
And books and graphic novels… The one failed Hollywood project is a blip in his career, not its center.
Re:Identifying as an Artist by colinflane on Monday March 06, 2023 @09:56PM (#35050991)
Trees for the Forest
Re:Identifying as an Artist by andrei_says_ on Sunday March 05, 2023 @01:22PM (#35032380)
Jodorowsky wasn’t able to realize Dune but has a number of films and a time of comics - many in collaboration with the legendary Mobius.

I highly recommend checking out his work.

Re:Identifying as an Artist by colinflane on Monday March 06, 2023 @09:55PM (#35050981)
Thanks, I have read and deeply enjoyed The Incal, as well as some of his films. I merely sought to use the specific example to pose a hypothetical.
Re:Identifying as an Artist by mouse_ on Saturday March 04, 2023 @01:14AM (#35018656)
"The Art Life" is still available freely for me on YouTube. Perhaps it's a regional thing?
Re:Identifying as an Artist by bookofjoe on Saturday March 04, 2023 @08:12AM (#35020528)
Re:Identifying as an Artist by kashunstva on Saturday March 04, 2023 @05:48AM (#35019944)
> If an artist can be a hobbyist the way many of us are amateur musicians…

There are so many definitional and semantic struggles around who gets to call themselves “artist” or “hobbyist”. Among the most fraught involves money, as if you don’t get to call yourself an artist unless you derive your primary income from what would otherwise be called art. I’m more interested in your commitment to create, to inspire, and to present something deeply individual in what you create.

Re:Identifying as an Artist by schwartzworld on Saturday March 04, 2023 @06:09AM (#35020018)
Making money with art usually means abandoning the creative process and becoming a manufacturing operation.