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Re:Majority of Hispanic Americans own a home by smt88 on Friday March 03, 2023 @05:36PM (#35015975)
You seem to be using a definition of "own" that differs from the one everyone else is using.

The bank can't gain or lose money when your home changes in value. It can't enter your home without your permission, change the paint color, or sell your home.

It can do these things if you become unable to pay for your mortgage. Your home is security for them, but you could buy a house with a loan secured by anything else. It's not uncommon for wealthy people to borrow against their stocks and then buy a home "in cash". In that situation, you'd never say "the bank owns their home" just because they owe the bank a bunch of money.

Re:Majority of Hispanic Americans own a home by onlyrealcuzzo on Friday March 03, 2023 @05:48PM (#35016080)
Importantly, it doesn't raise your rent 3-10% every year.

Your property tax & insurance (usually less than 1/4th of your payment) goes up 2-3% (in most places).

Re:Majority of Hispanic Americans own a home by S201 on Friday March 03, 2023 @05:59PM (#35016189)
> Your property tax & insurance [...] goes up 2-3% (in most places).

Heh, or in my case: 30% this year.

Re:Majority of Hispanic Americans own a home by hdespiritu on Friday March 03, 2023 @06:26PM (#35016386)
If it's your primary residence, the homestead tax credit can offset that increase substantially

https://smartasset.com/taxes/what-is-a-homestead-tax-exempti...

OP's original point still stands. Real estate in America is designed to have many economic advantages for wealth accumulation and preservation. You might even go as far as saying the economic advantages of real estate are a byproduct of regulatory capture

Re:Majority of Hispanic Americans own a home by nerdchum on Friday March 03, 2023 @11:25PM (#35018158)
> economic advantages of real estate are a byproduct of regulatory capture

This seems correct to me. I don't think it's been specifically designed to be a store of wealth.

Re:Majority of Hispanic Americans own a home by nerdchum on Friday March 03, 2023 @11:22PM (#35018147)
Yes, seriously. I have never seen two to three percent property tax increases.
Re:Majority of Hispanic Americans own a home by medvezhenok on Saturday March 04, 2023 @12:11AM (#35018382)
Prop 13 limits property tax increases to 2% or less in California :)
Re:Majority of Hispanic Americans own a home by nerdchum on Saturday March 04, 2023 @06:45AM (#35020159)
2% of the current property value am I right??

the property value that can skyrocket

Re:Majority of Hispanic Americans own a home by onlyrealcuzzo on Saturday March 04, 2023 @08:54PM (#35026316)
Nope. 2% max per year from your purchase price.

There's people that own $8M dollar houses in Hollywood paying less property tax than people living in $800k condos.

Re:Majority of Hispanic Americans own a home by nerdchum on Friday March 03, 2023 @11:19PM (#35018129)
property tax is based on home value.

people lose their homes all the time because the neighborhood gets gentrified and their home values go up and they can't afford the property tax.

insurance can skyrocket based on natural disasters in your region. a lot of the Gulf Coast has trouble getting homeowners insurance. if earthquakes ever pick up on the west coast. the same thing will happen

Re:Majority of Hispanic Americans own a home by RajT88 on Friday March 03, 2023 @05:53PM (#35016124)
I've seen this argument even devolve into:

You don't own the land your home sits on. The government can take it any time they want and do whatever they want with your property; you don't really own your home even if you own it.

I mean - at some point you get into a philosophical debate about, "What, really, is ownership?". Listen if you have a mortgage, you own the house by any common definition of the term.

Re:Majority of Hispanic Americans own a home by nerdchum on Friday March 03, 2023 @11:08PM (#35018075)
very good points you're making.

does one truly ever own their home?

or does one always have someone who tells them what to do via zoning or property tax or mortgage?

Re:Majority of Hispanic Americans own a home by RajT88 on Friday March 03, 2023 @11:50PM (#35018290)
> does one truly ever own their home?

Does one really ever own anything, if someone can just take it from them free and clear?

As I say, there's more than one philosophical perspective on this. I am not a philosopher, but here's my take on a few perspectives:

- Pragmatist: If the law says your average person can't roll in and take it, you own it.

- Libertarian: If the law says your average person can't roll in and take it, but corporations or HOA's or other entities tell you what you can and can't do with it, you don't own it.

- Tribalist: If there's no law, and you can slaughter anyone who tries to take it, you own it.

- Feudalist: If the law protects it, but the wealthy and powerful can just roll in and take it because they make the law, you own it. Until at least it becomes of value, then you can rent it back from its gracious new owners.

- Communalist: You don't own it, the community owns it, but they're happy to allocate it for your usage as long as you play by their rules.

- Common language: If you have a mortgage on it, you own it in the eyes of the law. If you stop paying the mortgage, or go into tax arrears, or at the victim of eminent domain, people can make it not-yours, but you still own it (for now).

- Expansionist: If you were there first, you own it. Unless your culture has no concept of ownership, in which case, you don't own it, but someone else soon will.

Re:Majority of Hispanic Americans own a home by nerdchum on Saturday March 04, 2023 @06:42AM (#35020140)
no need for your rationalizations.

think for yourself for a minute

let's get down to the extreme basics.

ownership means someone can't take your property.

The only way to take someone's property unwillingly is with force/theft

The government is supposed to protect you from this by being the only sanctioned use of force in the country.

however, it does the opposite and takes your property by force itself.

Re:Majority of Hispanic Americans own a home by xdennis on Friday March 03, 2023 @06:02PM (#35016208)
> It's not uncommon for wealthy people to borrow against their stocks and then buy a home "in cash". In that situation, you'd never say "the bank owns their home" just because they owe the bank a bunch of money.

The difference lies in whether or not they can take your house away.

If you have a mortgage you're just renting until you pay in full. You don't own it until you fully pay.

If take a loan, and buy a house with the money, they can't take away the house. Sure, you could say that you might be forced to sell your house to pay back the loan, but that would mean nobody owns anything if he has to sell something in a pinch.

Re:Majority of Hispanic Americans own a home by nerdchum on Friday March 03, 2023 @11:16PM (#35018118)
they could theoretically take you to court to get a judgment against you and take just about anything of yours.

any debt you get in puts all of your assets at risk

Re:Majority of Hispanic Americans own a home by nerdchum on Friday March 03, 2023 @10:56PM (#35018014)
To me, it's not enough for someone to simply "identify" as an owner.

To me the definition of ownership means someone cant come take your property if you don't do what they say.

what's even more fascinating is that even after you pay off that mortgage, your land is still able to be taken from you forcefully if you don't pay your property taxes or the government sites you for code violation.

you just traded masters from the bank to the government.

homes are one of the biggest scams of modern times in my opinion.

Re:Majority of Hispanic Americans own a home by smt88 on Friday March 03, 2023 @11:07PM (#35018069)
Yeah, again, you can redefine words however you want. Just be aware that you're doing it and will confuse people if you don't explain.
Re:Majority of Hispanic Americans own a home by nerdchum on Friday March 03, 2023 @11:13PM (#35018096)
Yeah Id pass the same advice about redefining words on to you!

just like the word woman and vaccine the word owner has been modified in modern times.

according to the true definition of ownership a secured loan is not ownership as you don't have complete control over the property