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Re:Denver’s e-bike subsidy program produced more new riders,... by lostmsu on Thursday March 02, 2023 @08:07PM (#35004460)
How would you deliver furniture and maintenance machinery to your place?
Re:Denver’s e-bike subsidy program produced more new riders,... by komali2 on Thursday March 02, 2023 @08:25PM (#35004603)
I mean if you genuinely wanna game theory this out, what's wrong with wheel barrows or carts?
Re:Denver’s e-bike subsidy program produced more new riders,... by lostmsu on Friday March 03, 2023 @01:28PM (#35013283)
Extreme labor inefficiency. Today Amazon's driver can deliver an order of magnitude more packages than a person with a wheel barrow could. There are 100,000+ Amazon drivers in the US. You'd need at least 1,000,000 people with wheel barrows.
Re:Denver’s e-bike subsidy program produced more new riders,... by komali2 on Saturday March 04, 2023 @02:06AM (#35018878)
That's true if we decide it's a good idea to continue to deliver millions of packages of small plastic goods every day. A big part of that is probably also due to the USA's massively isolating suburb design and poorly layed out roads.
Re:Denver’s e-bike subsidy program produced more new riders,... by lostmsu on Saturday March 04, 2023 @09:27AM (#35020943)
So you think Amazon brings no value? I guess you never ordered anything from there?
Re:Denver’s e-bike subsidy program produced more new riders,... by komali2 on Friday March 10, 2023 @07:54PM (#35103720)
I think in aggregate Amazon does more harm to our society than adds value. Its "value add" and service requires the degeneration of labor rights, a massive carbon footprint, and unethical shadow-UX practices on its own website.
Re:Denver’s e-bike subsidy program produced more new riders,... by ragebol on Thursday March 02, 2023 @08:48PM (#35004792)
Fine, delivery vehicles only, in the city center
Re:Denver’s e-bike subsidy program produced more new riders,... by lostmsu on Friday March 03, 2023 @01:12PM (#35013105)
How much of the "public property" mentioned above the "city center" is?
Re:Denver’s e-bike subsidy program produced more new riders,... by avianlyric on Thursday March 02, 2023 @09:24PM (#35005051)
Does furniture deliver and maintenance machinery only fit down 6 lane highways, or do you think it might fit down a single lane road?
Re:Denver’s e-bike subsidy program produced more new riders,... by lostmsu on Friday March 03, 2023 @01:24PM (#35013234)
I don't think the person above is complaining about 6 lane highways.
Re:Denver’s e-bike subsidy program produced more new riders,... by ultrarunner on Thursday March 02, 2023 @10:27PM (#35005429)
These arguments always follow the same pattern:

>> I don't want to be brutally killed by a car on unsafe infrastructure

>> Oh yeah? Well how are you going to have a refrigerator delivered or get your sick grandmother to the hospital?

I'm not sure why. Maybe it's just hyper-logical thinking that it has to be all-or-nothing and implemented solely by force. But man, grandmothers and refrigerators are going to be just fine if we stop giving cars priority over people. Maybe better.

Re:Denver’s e-bike subsidy program produced more new riders,... by lostmsu on Friday March 03, 2023 @01:22PM (#35013217)
The idea is just not as obvious as you think. Take, for example, Manhattan in NY. If you compare the ratio of car/bus on its streets to a smaller city (I live in Seattle), it will be significantly lower. To the point that I am unsure removing cars altogether would change road conditions.

Now suppose we take all or majority of Manhattan's roads, let pedestrians in, and only allow buses, trucks, and utility vehicles. Suddenly buses are much slower than they are now, because the pedestrians have the right of the way.

Re:Denver’s e-bike subsidy program produced more new riders,... by Schroedingersat on Thursday March 02, 2023 @11:54PM (#35005974)
Same way they do everywhere that gives pedestrians priority. On a truck that has more room to manuever because there aren't cars parked everywhere.