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Re:EV startups from Lucid to Rivian see demand fade, supply ... by steveBK123 on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @12:48PM (#34985597)
Remember the key thing here. Lucid/Rivian/Tesla are direct sales model.

With a traditional dealer you are dealing essentially with middlemen who inventory vehicles or get order allocations from the manufacturer. Traditional dealers mostly make money on financing/parts/services/etc. If the dealer has no inventory/allocations then they don't really care about you. So they don't want you wasting their time if you are going to go order the car somewhere else. And realistically, you shouldn't care about them.. you have 1000 other places to go buy a Ford.

In the direct sales model, every person in that store works for the manufacturer as well. They are poisoning customers on the brand in its totality rather than just Joe Shmo Ford dealer in town. The stores are all portals to the same national inventory / order queue.

To go from "GFYS" in July to "Please buy our cars" in November/December is inept.

Re:EV startups from Lucid to Rivian see demand fade, supply ... by hef19898 on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @01:48PM (#34986620)
It is always fascinating how different car sales are in the US when compared to Europe. In Europe, for new cars at least, dealer sell production slots. You configure your car, the dealer gets a delivery date from the OEM, you get yoyr car at that date or pick it up at the factory.

Pre configured cars are either exposition cars, cars registered for a day to move OEM inventory, or dealer inventory, not sold like above. Or they are 6-12 months old and coming from various short term leasing and rental services. This approach makes planning for OEMs a lot easier as well. Oh, and you always pay whatever the ticlet price is,inus negotiated disclunts. Nothing like list price plus, just because the dealer feels like it.

Re:EV startups from Lucid to Rivian see demand fade, supply ... by brianwawok on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @04:39PM (#34988708)
You don't have strong networks of dealers paying money to the government to have a monopoly err protect the consumers?
Re:EV startups from Lucid to Rivian see demand fade, supply ... by nradov on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @04:45PM (#34988783)
Some US franchised dealers will order a car for you, but you'll usually pay full MSRP with little room to negotiate. Porsche, for example, does a large fraction of their sales that way.

But custom ordering for many cheaper mainstream brands has become kind of pointless. The manufacturers no longer allow picking and choosing individual options and instead roll everything into a couple of large option packages. So, if you want the good sound system then you have to pay for the sunroof as well even if you don't want it.

Many US consumers expect to buy a vehicle off the lot and drive it away that day. Part of that is cultural. But many customers come in to buy because their old car was just wrecked or broken down, so they can't afford to wait months for a replacement.

Re:EV startups from Lucid to Rivian see demand fade, supply ... by rootusrootus on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @05:58PM (#34989519)
> Some US franchised dealers will order a car for you, but you'll usually pay full MSRP with little room to negotiate.

That has not been my experience at all. I frequently order my new cars when I'm buying a domestic brand. I pay invoice or less. (I did not buy a car during the pandemic mess). The dealer has a guaranteed sale with minimal overhead. I haven't yet had one tell me to go away.

Re:EV startups from Lucid to Rivian see demand fade, supply ... by steveBK123 on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @05:04PM (#34988995)
Some early 1900s cartel issues that were overcorrected with regulation that has now turned into regulatory capture by large dealer network owners.
Re:EV startups from Lucid to Rivian see demand fade, supply ... by rootusrootus on Wednesday March 01, 2023 @05:56PM (#34989500)
> how different car sales are in the US when compared to Europe

It is not consistent in the US. You can order a car from any of the domestic manufacturers (or European ones, AFAIK). You take what you can get from the Asian manufacturers, when it shows up.