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Re:Ford seeks patent for cars that ditch you if payments missed by bluGill on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @01:56PM (#34973288)
Not the scummy low end of the auto loan business. They want you to pay for a couple months and then reposes the car. They are selling older cars, so just a couple months of payment is more $ than the depreciation of the car, and when it comes back they can sell it again. While they maybe have to pay you back for the value of your owned part of the car, they can charge repossession and detail for sale fees first.

They do need a few people who pay off the whole car. These are the case studies they use to shout how great they are for taking a chance on someone who turned their life around.

Re:Ford seeks patent for cars that ditch you if payments missed by bko on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @02:51PM (#34973921)
You understand that if i lend you $100 to buy a car, you pay off 50%, i can sell the car for $70, i would have to give you $20 (you only owe me $50). There are strict rules what you can do state by state, but generally you can't repossess something worth more than the outstanding balance and keep the rest as a profit

For example here's NY state

If you've already paid more than 60 percent of the amount you owe when the car is repossessed, the creditor must auction it within 90 days. During this time, you can still get your car back, says the New York City Bar Legal Referral Service. You have up until the car is actually sold or leased to settle with the lender. You might have to pay the past due amounts, but often you'll be asked to pay the entire loan balance.

After the auction, the creditor can apply the proceeds toward fees and expenses relating to the repossession and the unpaid balance on the loan. The lender must give you a completed an Affirmation of Repossession and Bill of Sale. After all expenses are paid, you're entitled to the balance of the proceeds.

https://www.sapling.com/6669128/new-state-car-repossession-l...

Re:Ford seeks patent for cars that ditch you if payments missed by sangnoir on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @04:13PM (#34974930)
>...if i lend you $100 to buy a car, you pay off 50%, i can sell the car for $70, i would have to give you $20 (you only owe me $50)

The trick is to lend me $100 on a $40 dollar car that I cannot sell for $70. Nevermind the fact that in most states I can't sell the car for any amount as the dealership owns the lien.

> There are strict rules what you can do state by state, but generally you can't repossess something worth more than the outstanding balance and keep the rest as a profit

A lot of articles have been written about scammy "Buy Here, Pay Here" autosales that exist despite the strict rules. Since the dealership is financing the car, they can tweak the initial balance and monthly payments to their liking, while following the letter of the law but hitting the repo quota on the same '97 Honda Civic.

Re:Ford seeks patent for cars that ditch you if payments missed by brigade on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @05:45PM (#34976005)
An 84 month loan at New York’s maximum 16% interest means that the 60% threshold isn’t reached for 5 years, far after the expected loan lifetime.

And the car isn’t the only thing being sold, there might be a bundled reconditioning fee, a GPS installation fee, a documentation fee, a service fee, origination fee, nitrogen fee, etc. So when they sell the car again for the same $2000 plus fees that you bought it for, they’ll happily deduct that $2000 from the $3000 you still owe.

Since you mentioned subprime loans, to clarify: this is about the level below that, for people that can’t qualify for a loan from any real bank, even Santander.