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Re:My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account by Strom on Saturday February 25, 2023 @04:03AM (#34935116)
> The problem is that Windows 11 and above require a Microsoft account

It is not quite a requirement, I have my Windows 11 Pro running just fine with no Microsoft account. They do attempt really hard to make it look like it's required though. Even going as far as showing a fullscreen app after Windows update that only has options for registering or login, but luckily Alt+F4 closes that abomination.

Re:My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account by ly3xqhl8g9 on Saturday February 25, 2023 @04:09AM (#34935144)
Edited. I just didn't even bothered; given the trend, probably Windows 12 or 13 will close the loopholes.
Re:My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account by skissane on Saturday February 25, 2023 @04:22AM (#34935210)
They can never “close the loopholes” entirely, because there are customers that want machines with zero access to public Internet (embedded systems, national security, etc), where a Microsoft account is an absolute non-starter. Closing all the loopholes would be abandoning those market segments (many of which are already trending towards Linux/etc anyway)

I suppose they might make it mandatory unless you have some special version of Windows which is hard to buy (like LTSC). But make it too hard they risk that market. Anyway, now bypassing it involves opening a command prompt window, only the more technical users will do so, and that’s a small enough minority they probably aren’t missing much.

Re:My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account by Scarblac on Saturday February 25, 2023 @05:18AM (#34935489)
> Closing all the loopholes would be abandoning those market segments (many of which are already trending towards Linux/etc anyway)

Sounds more likely to me that they'll just abandon those market segments.

Re:My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account by Meph504 on Saturday February 25, 2023 @06:02AM (#34935669)
They actually already make a special version of windows for those purposes and it isn't available to the open market. Government editions that have no telemetry, advertising, or integrated cloud products at all.

I know it is a pipe dream but I wish they could be forced to sell this to the general public.

Re:My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account by skissane on Saturday February 25, 2023 @06:08AM (#34935694)
Are you talking about LTSC or something else?

I have looked into buying LTSC. Apparently you need a business (I own a “shelf” company which has never done anything, but legally it counts), and a Microsoft volume license agreement. I looked into the later. Supposedly there is this trick where you order all these useless-but-cheap Identity Manager CALs to cheaply meet the minimum order requirement for a volume license. But I got a bit stuck working out what to order (or even if it was still available through resellers in my country). I lost interest at that point.

Re:My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account by mkup on Saturday February 25, 2023 @07:52AM (#34936276)
I am not Meph504, but I suppose they meant either Windows Enterprise G or Windows Enterprise G N editions, not Windows LTSC editions.
Re:My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account by skissane on Saturday February 25, 2023 @12:37PM (#34938528)
Is Enterprise G the same thing as “China Government Edition”?

Is there a “US Government Edition”? Is it different from the Chinese one?

How does G differ from LTSC?

Re:My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account by Meph504 on Saturday February 25, 2023 @03:59PM (#34940408)
Yes it is different, and the difference between gov edition and ltsc is that. The gov edition isn't designed for long term support without change, but to increase security of windows and remove all the telemry and forced integrated services from Microsoft.

This info is publicly available so more detailed info should be easy to find.

Re:My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account by skissane on Saturday February 25, 2023 @05:21PM (#34941032)
All the sources I can find say that Enterprise G is China-only. The US Government (among others) doesn’t use it, even for classified stuff.

Telemetry is a bit of a non-issue for many national security applications-they run on special air-gapped networks with zero direct access to the public Internet, Windows can try to phone home to Microsoft all day long, it’ll never get through.

Re:My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account by Meph504 on Saturday February 25, 2023 @03:57PM (#34940380)
Correct
Re:My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account by neither_color on Saturday February 25, 2023 @07:55AM (#34936305)
The last time I tried to do this it was impossible to sign into Office or Xbox on that same PC without logging into a Microsoft Account which subsequently takes over your local login. No way around it other than to not use those apps at all or only running office through a browser. It went like:

Install flight simulator on a Win10 PC with local login only and launch -> sign into an xbox account -> after you enter your name and password, you get a dialog box where you have to agree to sign your Microsoft Account on that PC with two dark pattern options that lead to the same result.

I couldn't find any combination of group policy editor, registry, and services.msc around it. You can either close it and lose access to the game you just paid for, or proceed and then you get your account signed into email and a bunch of other crap you dont want and have to spend hours getting rid of all traces of that account in your system(but it's never 100% gone). Only way to bypass it is to buy the game through Steam.

Between MacOs Linux and Microsoft, Microsoft has the last respect for you as a user and nobody should use it if they don't have to.

Re:My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account by jimbobimbo on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:02PM (#34938804)
I believe, Microsoft account is a requirement for Home editions, not Pro or above.
Re:My daughter's school took over my personal Microsoft account by CatWChainsaw on Tuesday March 07, 2023 @01:59PM (#35059558)
Pro now requires it unless you know any loopholes.