Do you think we should not help Ukraine, and not supply them with weapons and leave them to fend for themselves?
Unfortunately, since the latter has happened, there's no moral high ground to be gained by "staying out" of the conflict. Russia started this war. Russia could end it, today, by leaving.
I think there's a solid human rights reason to be involved in the way we are. But even ignoring that, I also think we do have a stake in this.
> The fastest way out of the war is negotiation unfortunately
Russia wants no negotiation that doesn't result in them stealing territory from Ukraine. You can't negotiate with that.
You can negotiate with that, people were and are doing this all the time. The problem is that it very likely would result in just a pause and further (probably worse) conflict later.
The US is literally prolonging the conflict by shoveling guns, “advisors” and intelligence into the fight. It’s nothing but a proxy war, using the Ukrainians as pawns. And the longer it goes on, the more territory Russia will expect/need to keep.
People hate the Western MIC for a reason but in the end desire to avoid a genocide has to be stronger than hate for the MIC.
Pretty sure you just revealed your agenda there.
With that said the US is not making Ukraine fight, Ukraine wants to fight and is begging for the weapons that the West is providing and more of them. The Ukrainians are not puppets, we don't get to take away their agency. They are a free people fighting to remain that way while an insane person tries to bury them in the bodies of his soldiers.
"I wish the west would stay out of conflicts it doesn't have a stake in" I would argue that everyone has a stake in preventing big countries from using force to just take chunks of weaker countries.
"almost like it's a convenient excuse to help distract people how much they're getting screwed over at home" People are not stupid, they are more than capable of holding multiple ideas and foci in their heads at the same time.
The war could end tomorrow, Putin just has to pack up and leave. In the mean time he is decimating a generation of young men and the myth of Russia as a super power.
He is also stealing tens of thousands of children.
Also your focus on the political orientation of a battalion that pretty much fought to the death to stop the Russian invasion is pretty telling. Should Ukraine have told them not to fight? Sorry we would rather lose the war, have our daughters raped, get tortured to death and let Russia keep stealing our kids because our potential allies are racist?
Russia is pardoning rapists and murdererers if they agree to fight for them. But partnering with Racists is worse right?
What the us is doing is more disgusting than the invading Russians, about the same, less?
PS: I really love the minimization of NAZIS as just a “political orientation”.
Again, can you show me the videos of Zelensky saying he wants peace and is willing to accept surrendering Ukrainian soil to get it but the US stopped him and are forcing him to fight. This is your claim, so you should be able to provide the videos. Telling me to "look them up" is not a strong argument in your favor.
Here’s just one example of peace deals acceptable to Zelensky being undermined by the West: https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/01/report-russia-ukraine-tent...
"According to Ukrainska Pravda, the other factor that scuttled peace talks was the discovery of massacred civilians in Bucha and other areas near Kyiv that Russia withdrew from around the time negotiations were being held."
But the Russians are the good guys fighting to liberate Ukraine from the Nazis led by their Jewish president. Looks like they did a great job liberating the civilians in Bucha.
I think the west is using Ukraine as a way to whittle down Russian military forces at the expense of Ukrainians and "Allied" military equipment (instead of some theoretical war where the US send their soldiers _and_ equipment on the field, and the resulting PR nightmares, etc. that would cause) - essentially weakening Russia's military to a point so that Russia can't respond as aggressively to western expansionism or continue to meddle in western affairs as strongly as they have been.
I wish the west would stay out of conflicts it doesn't have a stake in, and I wish Russia would stop attacking Ukraine. Unfortunately mentioning the former makes you a "putin-apologist" even though there's more than enough things to attend to in the west instead of sending trillions of dollars overseas and continuing to fund the industrial military complex - almost like it's a convenient excuse to help distract people how much they're getting screwed over at home - but that's getting into conspiracy theorist territory, which I'd rather not go down.
The fastest way out of the war is negotiation unfortunately. It's only going to get bloodier as both sides get more desperate to win...