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Re:Meta rolls out AI language model LLaMA by russdpale on Friday February 24, 2023 @12:54PM (#34927454)
I wouldn't trust this with a 10 foot pole. Given facebooks record why would we as a people's even allow this?
Re:Meta rolls out AI language model LLaMA by giancarlostoro on Friday February 24, 2023 @01:12PM (#34927710)
I don't trust Facebook at all, but we need more than just "THE EVIL AI WAS MADE BY AN EVIL COMPANY" what is the concern? They're going to shove ads into your AI?
Re:Meta rolls out AI language model LLaMA by freejazz on Friday February 24, 2023 @02:48PM (#34929139)
They impermissibly used customer's information in the data set? that they knowingly disregarded known risks of harm associated with the product?
Re:Meta rolls out AI language model LLaMA by return_to_monke on Friday February 24, 2023 @04:22PM (#34930316)
got any citations on that one, mate?
Re:Meta rolls out AI language model LLaMA by freejazz on Friday February 24, 2023 @11:59PM (#34934047)
I didn't make any claims, someone asked what could facebook do that would be of concern, and I gave two examples of their past conduct.
Re:Meta rolls out AI language model LLaMA by giancarlostoro on Friday February 24, 2023 @05:57PM (#34931391)
I would hope not, have you seen the dumb stuff my relatives say? I think you need to provide some evidence to back your claim though.
Re:Meta rolls out AI language model LLaMA by freejazz on Friday February 24, 2023 @11:58PM (#34934043)
I didn't make any claims - someone asked what could they have done, and I listed two things they did recently...
Re:Meta rolls out AI language model LLaMA by hewlett on Friday February 24, 2023 @06:02PM (#34931440)
> https://research.facebook.com/file/1574548786327032/LLaMA--O...

> Dataset Sampling prop. Epochs Disk size

> CommonCrawl 67.0% 1.10 3.3 TB

> C4 15.0% 1.06 783 GB

> Github 4.5% 0.64 328 GB

> Wikipedia 4.5% 2.45 83 GB

> Books 4.5% 2.23 85 GB

> ArXiv 2.5% 1.06 92 GB

> StackExchange 2.0% 1.03 78 GB

At no point do they use information from Facebook customers

Re:Meta rolls out AI language model LLaMA by russdpale on Saturday March 04, 2023 @03:58PM (#35024440)
No, we don't anymore than that. Would you trust a fucking murderer?

Facebook has been weaponized numerous times, why would this be any different? Why would they be given any benefit of the doubt?

Re:Meta rolls out AI language model LLaMA by madsmith on Friday February 24, 2023 @01:27PM (#34927947)
I’m biased because I used to work for Facebook a long time ago. So take my words with a grain of salt.

But Facebook research really wants to build amazing tech to power new experiences. The company has attracted many smart and amazing developers who want to pioneer innovation and want to see their work thrive in the broader tech community.

I’m sure this will have the same issues as the other Large Language Models and there’s a lot of work to be done to figure out how to distill a reliably useful system from something trained on so much human language which is unreliable.

I’m heartened to see them talk about needing to research how to remove bias, toxicity, disinformation and hallucinations.

This is something we need to focus on for all LLMs so I’m happy to see more focus on that in the community.

Re:Meta rolls out AI language model LLaMA by theGnuMe on Friday February 24, 2023 @01:34PM (#34928071)
The FAIR group is top notch.
Re:Meta rolls out AI language model LLaMA by russdpale on Saturday March 04, 2023 @04:03PM (#35024480)
I don't really think it matters what the research team wants or doesn't want. That is totally insignificant to what the decisions makers want and implement into the facebook product.

What you helped work for was to build a giant spy tool for corporate and government actors. Your own friends, neighbors, and even family surely have some kind of shadow profile on facebook, sleazily tied to other services, packaged, and sold on equally sleazy and opaque data markets.

Personally, I would support the government just shutting down facebook altogether, by force if necessary. They have lost all trust with me, and any benefit to society has easily been drowned by their numerous public failures, up to and including genocide.

Like, once your company is involved in genocide, that should be it. Game over.

Re:Meta rolls out AI language model LLaMA by titaniumtown on Friday February 24, 2023 @01:24PM (#34927899)
Facebook has a record of tainting their machine learning models? I was not aware of that.
Re:Meta rolls out AI language model LLaMA by scubbo on Friday February 24, 2023 @02:00PM (#34928444)
It is disingenuous to pretend not to understand that unethical behaviour in one area is a strong predictor of unethhical behaviour in another area.
Re:Meta rolls out AI language model LLaMA by Reubend on Friday February 24, 2023 @03:03PM (#34929349)
It's disingenuous to make assumptions and argue without having made a good faith effort to see if what you're saying is true. 5 minutes of research would have taken you to the research paper in question, which has a straightforward description of the training data sources:

CommonCrawl 67.0% C4 15.0% Github 4.5% Wikipedia 4.5% Books 4.5% ArXiv 2.5% StackExchange 2.0%

So in other words, nothing here in this research has used people's social media posts, and there's no private data whatsoever because the sources used were all public.

Re:Meta rolls out AI language model LLaMA by scubbo on Saturday February 25, 2023 @05:15PM (#34940986)
Good to know, and I always appreciate and respect people bringing statistics and citations - but this in no way refutes my core point that it is always reasonable to assume that Facebook will act unethically based on their past behaviour.

You've provided a strong datapoint indicating that the training sources in question were ethically sourced* - that's good! I'm glad to hear that Facebook avoided _this specific way of acting unethically_. This does not affect in any way my judgement of the likelihood of Facebook acting in _other_ unethical ways in this area, such as using the collected data in unethical ways.

* I don't, personally, hold the opinion that "just because something was posted publicly means that it is ethically permissible to do _anything_ with that content", since it's unreasonable to believe that the average internet user is giving informed consent to uses like this - but I do concede that that's a more subjective perspective and is probably not supported by the letter of the law. Luckily, this isn't relevant to my argument.

As an aside - I clicked around in a few pages on CommonCrawl's site (https://commoncrawl.org/big-picture/what-we-do/, https://commoncrawl.org/big-picture/frequently-asked-questio..., https://commoncrawl.org/the-data/get-started/) and didn't see any statement to the effect that social media posts were excluded, and a Google search for "Does CommonCrawl index social media" didn't provide a definitive answer, either. You're under no obligation to prove it to me - and, as I detailed above, even if you did, it wouldn't affect my general distrust of Facebook.

Re:Meta rolls out AI language model LLaMA by russdpale on Saturday March 04, 2023 @04:07PM (#35024513)
It's disingenuous and frankly intellectually cowardly to continue giving a bad actor such as facebook benefit of doubt. It reeks of enlightened centrism.

What in facebooks past gives anyone reason to believe this model would be used for anything other than nefarious purposes?