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Re:It’s time for Alphabet to spin off YouTube by scarface_74 on Friday February 24, 2023 @11:26AM (#34926237)
That's not how anti-trust works.

Are you really saying that no company should be able to create a new product based on resources it already has?

Why stop at compute? Why not make it an "anti-trust" case that Apple leverages its same operating system and chip design across multiple devices? Or Amazon uses its same logistics network to deliver more than just books?

Re:It’s time for Alphabet to spin off YouTube by anigbrowl on Friday February 24, 2023 @12:53PM (#34927448)
This is big business pretending to be small to distract attention from market dominance, and pretending to be creative to distract attention from a strategy of acquisition rather than origination.

Your argument is valid, but scale matters. Think of a game of Monopoly; you can usually tell who's going to win well before the game concludes, and you can guess which players will lose well before that.

Re:It’s time for Alphabet to spin off YouTube by scarface_74 on Friday February 24, 2023 @01:05PM (#34927624)
And if Google hadn't acquired YouTube it wouldn't exist today. It would have either been sued out of existence or the infrastructure costs wouldn't be sustainable.

But let's not pretend that the little guy wants to go public. If they do, they are naive. Out of all of the companies, that YC has invested in, maybe 5 have actually gone public. Every startup knows the game is to get acquired.

The fact is that some things need scale to succeed. OpenAI for instance was never going to be able to afford the compute it needed without being subsidized by MS.

Re:It’s time for Alphabet to spin off YouTube by anigbrowl on Friday February 24, 2023 @02:59PM (#34929291)
But how did YouTube get founded in the first place, and become successful as a video-sharing platform for original content? Or how did Google come to exist, when the market was dominated by (then-) huge firms like Yahoo, Lycos, and Altavista?

Both companies had a first mover advantage by deploying a more scaleable technical innovation in a somewhat stealthy way. OpenAI is subsidized as you say, but StabilityAI promptly ate their lunch int he image production field and is hoping to do the same with LLMs.

Re:It’s time for Alphabet to spin off YouTube by scarface_74 on Friday February 24, 2023 @03:08PM (#34929415)
> But how did YouTube get founded in the first place, and become successful as a video-sharing platform for original content

A "successful" business makes more than it spends so it can be an ongoing concern. Any company can sell a lot of dollars for 95 cents. Youtube was never a "successful" business with a meaningful revenue stream before being acquired by Google.

> Or how did Google come to exist, when the market was dominated by (then-) huge firms like Yahoo, Lycos, and Altavista?

You realize you're arguing against the need for government regulation. This is the market working as it should. But Google became a success initially because Yahoo used it as their "search engine". Google initially offered to be bought up by Yahoo and Yahoo balked at the price. Google wasn't trying to go it alone.

Re:It’s time for Alphabet to spin off YouTube by anigbrowl on Friday February 24, 2023 @05:39PM (#34931175)
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Re:It’s time for Alphabet to spin off YouTube by scarface74 on Saturday February 25, 2023 @02:19PM (#34939557)
How many years would YouTube run at a lost if they hadn’t gotten sued out of existence first? How much of YouTube’s profitability now is directly related to both being able to leverage Google’s infrastructure at below market cost and being able to leverage Google’s adTech?

And who was going to fund them?