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Re:Salmonella-in-Eggs Controversy by weinzierl on Thursday February 23, 2023 @10:54PM (#34920562)
> Despite what many think egg shells are permeable, stuff gets through them, and eggs when laid generally have a fair amount of blood and shit on them which do have salmonella in them.

In Europe eggs are sold unwashed and I can assure you there is nothing on them except for a white or brownish shell. Occasionally a down gets lost in the packaging - that's it. The shell gets permeable when the protective layers are removed by washing it and that's why eggs are sold refrigerated in the US. In Europe eggs are neither washed nor refrigerated.

Re:Salmonella-in-Eggs Controversy by Amezarak on Friday February 24, 2023 @05:58AM (#34923235)
They're cleaning the eggs somehow. Maybe they're not washing them, and I don't know about the rest of the comment, but having chickens myself and getting eggs from others all my life, chicken eggs are not clean besides an occasional feather by any stretch of the imagination. Poop is plentiful.

Maybe they're getting a thorough wipe? That's about the only way I could imagine this happening, unless you have 24/7 surveillance to clean as soon as they poop and snatch up the eggs. Even then, both sometimes happen simultaneously.

Re:Salmonella-in-Eggs Controversy by j-bos on Friday February 24, 2023 @07:01AM (#34923635)
Regular changing of the nest bedding can work wonders. -have raised many chickens.
Re:Salmonella-in-Eggs Controversy by asguy on Friday February 24, 2023 @11:46AM (#34926520)
That's true. Even then, every once in a while you end up with a blood covered one.
Re:Salmonella-in-Eggs Controversy by weinzierl on Saturday February 25, 2023 @01:18AM (#34934358)
The whole point is to preserve the protective coating and I don't see how this can happen when you clean the eggs. I'm not a chicken farmer though and maybe the dirt is removed somehow.
Re:Salmonella-in-Eggs Controversy by bmelton on Saturday February 25, 2023 @12:13PM (#34938300)
They aren't washing them. More commercial operations might brush them with a dry brush (to remove dirt and chicken poop), while others are just collecting them more immediately, but it's illegal in Europe to wash eggs -- which is required by law in America. Washing eggs removes the bloom, which coats them and protects the permable egg from infection. The trade-off is that European eggs should be washed just before use.

In America, we mandate that eggs are washed in a chemical bath. This diminishes the bloom and replaces it with a chemical wash.

Both mechanisms are ostensibly intended to prevent Salmonella, but I don't have data on which is more effective.

Re:Salmonella-in-Eggs Controversy by weinzierl on Saturday February 25, 2023 @02:15PM (#34939528)
As this piqued my interest I tried to find data but it is complicated mainly by the fact that vaccination rates are vastly different. If we go by raw, reported Salmonella cases the American approach seems to be significantly safer, but then again we seem not to have a good idea about the unreported cases. It probably doesn't help that it is a politically charged topic too - see "Eggwina" in the UK [1].

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmonella-in-eggs_controver...