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Re:Supreme Court rejects man’s bid to sue police over arrest... by grugagag on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @10:18PM (#34906291)
This incident is from 2016 though. But you’re right, it would be a lost cause to challenge QI in the current climate. Thing is that the Supreme court ballance was tilted quite badly for the foreseeable future
Re:Supreme Court rejects man’s bid to sue police over arrest... by tptacek on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @10:28PM (#34906376)
Yeah, I just mean: it's a pretty marginal case. He spent 4 days in prison --- a travesty, to be sure --- and was then acquitted of any wrongdoing. It's not that there isn't a wrong to right here, but righting wrongs isn't so much the day-to-day purpose of SCOTUS so much as righting the law, and if they're going to pick up the QI hot potato, maybe they'd choose to do it in a case where the stakes are higher than some guy's Facebook parody site.

All the rest of the surrounding context of the case will matter too: precisely the laws he was accused of violating, and how sane those laws are, &c. Maybe, regardless of how they feel about QI, the fact pattern here is just messy; they're not going to put a case that boils entirely down to the legality of Facebook parodies on their docket.

Re:Supreme Court rejects man’s bid to sue police over arrest... by anonymouskimmer on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @10:55PM (#34906564)
They can rule narrowly when they want to. This guy has been to SCOTUS twice over what others may consider to be minor matters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fane_Lozman

And in the second case (involving retaliatory arrest): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lozman_v._City_of_Riviera_Beac...

> At oral arguments, justices expressed both sympathy for Lozman and hesitance to issue a ruling that might hinder law enforcement. Their eventual ruling in Lozman's favor was very narrow, holding that the Mt. Healthy test was appropriate "on facts like these",[1] based on the alleged "official municipal policy"[2] of retaliation and the importance of the right to petition.

If the guy in the case at hand had spent $875 thousand in suing the Ohio police I wonder if they would have taken up the case. Or perhaps you're right and the court is just loath to pick up any case touching qualified immunity. If anything I'd guess that they just don't have much sympathy for satire against law enforcement (especially when it's not immediately obvious that it's satire).

Re:Supreme Court rejects man’s bid to sue police over arrest... by tptacek on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @10:58PM (#34906582)
I think they prefer to keep things narrow, as a general rule, right? That was what I was trying to express earlier: that the fact pattern of this case might not even lead them to QI, because some dumber issue might be at play.
Re:Supreme Court rejects man’s bid to sue police over arrest... by anonymouskimmer on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @11:00PM (#34906598)
Likely.

I edited in a possibility into my comment as your were posting this reply.

Re:Supreme Court rejects man’s bid to sue police over arrest... by jasmer on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @11:33PM (#34906794)
"In March 2016, Novak set up a Facebook page that purported to be that of the Parma Police Department."

Honestly why does anyone think this is not wrong?

In a private context, you could probably sue, but we're talking about public emergency services here. He's literally impersonating a Police department, a wing of the Justice system.

If it was a totally clear 100% parody so that nobody would be confused, fine, but I don't get that gist.

Finally, even if it was theoretically legal, it's not like people aren't arrested for things and then let go because they were innocent. So long as the Judiciary has sufficient cause, well, people get arrested.

If this guy was truly impersonating the police force and it was not clear it was a satire, I think there was 'injustice' that he probably ought to have been slapped on the wrists and told to take it down ASAP. If it was an absolutely clear South Park parody well then maybe it's a bit more complicated.

Re:Supreme Court rejects man’s bid to sue police over arrest... by SilasX on Thursday February 23, 2023 @12:03AM (#34906978)
>Honestly why does anyone think this is not wrong?

Probably because they think they're such superior detectors of satire that they will never themselves be hookwinked, and then Just-World-Fallacy away anyone who is.

While also, of course, bragging about all the places they got into by carrying a clipboard, and what an extreme injustice it is every time someone is falsely identified as an intruder.

Re:Supreme Court rejects man’s bid to sue police over arrest... by gcanyon on Thursday February 23, 2023 @12:06AM (#34906995)
The page offered pedophiles the opportunity to pass a few quizzes to expunge their record and become an honorary officer of the Parma police.

https://fox8.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2022/10/AD65F49...

It said the department was hiring, asked minorities not to apply, and said that passing a hearing test and a short multiple choice vocabulary test guaranteed employment.

https://fox8.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2016/03/3.png?w...

That seems pretty clearly parody to me.

Re:Supreme Court rejects man’s bid to sue police over arrest... by tssva on Thursday February 23, 2023 @08:03AM (#34909967)
> but I do suggest he committed a crime

Evidently a jury presented with the facts of the case disagrees with you since he was acquitted of all charges at trial.

Re:Supreme Court rejects man’s bid to sue police over arrest... by jasmer on Thursday February 23, 2023 @05:39PM (#34917714)
No, a Jury didn't find him guilty of a felony and specific charges. They did not 'disagree' with me that such an account is innapropriate.

Go ahead and find out yourself: make a 'parody' account of your local police office by using their logo, badge etc. and then some fun posts. Have people call 911 out of confusion. See what happens.

Re:Supreme Court rejects man’s bid to sue police over arrest... by everforward on Thursday February 23, 2023 @11:51AM (#34912964)
The case itself is marginal, but the broader implication is that police are allowed to arrest and hold people for protected speech. That implication could (and I think likely will) have a significant chilling effect on constitutionally protected discourse.

Even more concerning is that the protected speech was criticism of the police force itself. It begs the concerning question of whether someone can be arrested and held for 4 days for criticism of the police at all. Could the police arrest someone for a Facebook post or webpage telling people not to talk to police without a lawyer? What about accusations that the police department is corrupt?

Any charges are unlikely to stick, but spending 4 days in jail is life ruining for a lot of people. People who have jobs could be fired. Single parents may have their children sent to CPS if they can't find someone else to take care of them. People on parole could have that parole revoked.

Re:Supreme Court rejects man’s bid to sue police over arrest... by anothernewdude on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @10:26PM (#34906358)
Heck that Karen Rittenhouse didn't need any Qualified Immunity to pull shit.
Re:Supreme Court rejects man’s bid to sue police over arrest... by gruez on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @10:35PM (#34906428)
Wikipedia says that he was charged of multiple crimes, and was dismissed/declared not guilty of all of them. Which specific charges do you think were unfairly acquitted/dismissed?
Re:Supreme Court rejects man’s bid to sue police over arrest... by tptacek on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @10:41PM (#34906463)
Rittenhouse wasn't an agent of the state, so no aspect of QI applies to him.
Re:Supreme Court rejects man’s bid to sue police over arrest... by gruez on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @11:19PM (#34906713)
The parent poster seems to be claiming that even without being an agent of the state (ie. QI), that he was to "pull shit" without being punished by the justice system.