very useful post!

I feel the time is ripe for a programming called spider so we can have a spider web framework.

The nice thing about Python is if you just target the WSGI spec, you can have a web framework that can be deployed to an insane amount of web servers. It's just a standard for how you receive incoming requests and what have you, other languages have similar offerings. So yes, Spider could be a thing in a few weeks. I forget if Bottle.py is WSGI based or not, but it wouldnt surprise me if you could conjure up something as small as Bottler.py that specifically works with WSGI.

Edit: Sitting down and writing my own WSGI web library is on my bucket list, I just have other items I want to do more.

"Bottle is a fast, simple and lightweight WSGI micro web-framework for Python."

> Sitting down and writing my own WSGI web library is on my bucket list

I did something like that many years ago: https://github.com/susam/ice

Documentation: https://icepy.readthedocs.io/en/latest/tutorial.html

I don’t use it anymore though. By the time I finished writing it, I was already hooked to Common Lisp and Hunchentoot for web development. So this tiny WSGI microframework remained as a hobby project.

I'm still hooked to Python though I get paid for .NET and so I think it would do me good to build a WSGI web library so I feel more confidence working with WSGI, of course most web libraries implement it well enough I never notice or care that WSGI is being used outside of configuring it and moving on, Django is a good example of this.

I feel like Spider would be a good name for a PL... *writes down in notes*

It would have perfect search engine anti-optimization.

How is HTML syntax highlighting in strings?

It's python syntax highlighting for formatted string literals. PEP 498.

https://peps.python.org/pep-0498/

Of course. I'm referring to HTML syntax in python string highlighting in your editor. How is support for that? Recommended plugins?

Good question. Just goes to show the value of a DIY Web Framework to anyone else except its author.

I'm the author of https://github.com/gnat/sublime-python-html-sql

Just was curious if anyone solved this DX issue in a more elegant way.

This looks like an API designed to encourage XSS vulnerabilities:

  def render(data):
      return f"<h1>Last regenerated at: {data['time']}</h1>", {}

What if data['time'] is '<script>alert("oops!")</script>'?

While JavaScript's template literals [1] would allow this kind of API to work (because the prefix of the template string can be a function that escapes the parameters), Python's f-strings doesn't have equivalent functionality. The tuple returned from the render function should probably include an additional item containing the parameters for the format string (which shouldn't be an f-string).

See also [2].

[1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Refe...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncontrolled_format_string

Data isn't user-supplied data, so just don't put Javascript code there yourself and you'll be fine.

The second example from the documentation [1] disagrees. It displays HTTP header values, which are user supplied, without properly encoding them.

Also, it's not just about JavaScript. If values aren't properly encoded as HTML, the app is just plain broken when it tries to display text that contains certain character sequences. For example, the app is not capable of displaying the data value "To create a heading in HTML, use <h1>My heading</h1>".

The values need to be separated from the format string and passed through an encoding function such as html.escape [2].

[1] https://github.com/healeycodes/jar#fresh-pages

[2] https://docs.python.org/3/library/html.html#html.escape

Sure, you're right about that and I agree with the specifics, but your message doesn't feel relevant to the OP or the discussion.

Is it a reasonable expectation that every dev and blog posts must rehash all of OWASP and audit their experimental frameworks (now several years in the making) before publishing?

Templating is a core concern of a web framework, so a fundamental design flaw in the templating mechanism seems relevant.