Albanian gangs have set up their own CCTV networks to spy on cops

Re:Albanian gangs have set up their own CCTV networks to spy... by alephnerd on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @02:35PM (#34885855)

An existing clan structure and the collapse of the Albanian state in the 90s.

Also, a lot of ethnic Albanians in the diaspora are from Kosovo, Macedonia, Serbia, and Bosnia so they are survivors or the children of survivors from the Yugoslav Civil War.

You see similar issues and dynamics among Sri Lankan Tamils in Toronto and Australia, Vietnamese gangs in the Bay Area in the 90s and 2000s, Punjabi Gangs in BC in the 90s and 2000s, and Central American gangs like MS-13 across California - all are the children of survivors or survivors from very brutal civil wars dropped into impoverished neighborhoods with locals who were antagonistic to these refugees.

Add to that a lot of the players in the conflicts in the old country ended up converting their militias or organizations into quasi-gangs as well to continue funding the "good fight" in the old country.

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Re:Albanian gangs have set up their own CCTV networks to spy... by hn_throwaway_99 on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @07:18PM (#34889723)

Thank you for such a thoughtful, insightful post. Made me think about things in a different way, most appreciated.

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Re:Albanian gangs have set up their own CCTV networks to spy... by bakuninsbart on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @01:49PM (#34900657)

Here in Germany, as you say, both Serbian and Albanian gangs are highly successful. To add to your points, both communities are very tightly knit, and it is not uncommon for an Albanian to have family all around the country. This created a kind of a "virtuous" circle where gangs had connections all around the country, and criminal enterprise was by far the most lucrative choice of career.

You've mentioned many examples already, but another on would be Lebanese people who fled the civil war to Europe, and went on to create some of the most powerful criminal organizations in Germany and neighboring countries.

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Re:Albanian gangs have set up their own CCTV networks to spy... by alephnerd on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @06:42PM (#34904756)

Yep! Pretty much this! Even I've leveraged old world clan networks professionally (helps to get introduced to VCs, Execs, and Politicians in US, Canada, Australia, and the UK). For some reason, Western Europeans, Canadians, and Americans don't have these kinds of tightly knit networks anymore, but hey, us immigrants and children of immigrants need some kind of upper hand when trying to eck out a new life.

A similar story is happening in Netherlands+Belgium with the Mocro Maffia - a big reason they were able to be successful in the XTC game was because Moroccan Jews are a big player in XTC manufacturing in Israel and there was a diaspora of both Muslim and Jewish Moroccans in Belgium, Netherlands, and France that organized crime groups were able to leverage.

And like you said about the Lebanese, same story with a subset of the Shia Lebanese diaspora in South America (Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Colombia) helping enable Hezbollah.

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Re:Albanian gangs have set up their own CCTV networks to spy... by squokko on Tuesday February 28, 2023 @03:30AM (#34967010)

Interesting. Suggests that we should not admit refugees from brutal civil wars?

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