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Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by emptysuitcase on Monday February 20, 2023 @10:03PM (#34875937)
since ChatGPT can write science fiction, why not just let it? publish all of its works in printed form
Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by Xelynega on Monday February 20, 2023 @10:19PM (#34876041)
Because the problem isn't "chatgpt can write science fiction". The problem is that chatgtp can generate spam that's not easily filterable from genuine science fiction submissions without investing human effort, so the site is having a problem with spam and they have to close the submission channel.
Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by emptysuitcase on Monday February 20, 2023 @10:21PM (#34876066)
what makes ChatGPT's science fiction non genuine? human authors get ideas from other human others, and ChatGPT gets ideas from human authors, and maybe even from itself
Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by AlotOfReading on Monday February 20, 2023 @10:30PM (#34876133)
1) It takes time to review each submission and further resources to publish any that are accepted.

2) The volume of submissions has grown massively because spammers are using LLMs to generate spam submissions in the hope of getting paid.

3) The current generation of LLMs are not particularly good at generating quality literature on their own, so this massive deluge of submissions is mostly garbage.

Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by Ekaros on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @05:29AM (#34879301)
Also I would go to venture to that what GPT produces passes the initial scan. That is mostly spelled and grammatically correct. I think those sort of submissions are common enough previously, but relatively fast to reject with "needs edit".

On other hand GPT might technically be good enough. But there isn't any actual substance. The reason why we read literature. This is varying bar, but still it does exist.

Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by derefr on Monday February 20, 2023 @10:33PM (#34876144)
ChatGPT generates cargo-cult fiction. It is imitating the low-level structure of prose, but its model can't (currently) stretch to synthesize the high-level structure of a narrative.

We currently don't have any machine-level filter that would identify whether or not a piece of prose is actually a coherent work of narrative fiction or not. And annoyingly, if we did, AFAIK we'd also have everything we needed to train an AI (specifically, a GAN) to generate narrative fiction. So we're going to be dealing with this right up until the point where it doesn't matter any more, rather than being able to do any kind of quick hack to banish it "early."

Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by saalweachter on Monday February 20, 2023 @11:18PM (#34876517)
I mean, once you can generate the content -- good content -- cheaply enough, no one will pay for it.
Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by YeGoblynQueenne on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @07:33AM (#34880366)
The interesting thing is that there exist techniques to generate coherent and even interesting stories, that do not rely on copying large amounts of examples thereof:

https://thegradient.pub/an-introduction-to-ai-story-generati...

Unfortunately those are a) virtually unknown outside academic circles and b) about to die a death. The latter, the death, they're about to die it because their space is now being taken over by a much more prolific technology that generates low-grade bullshit cheaply.

Life, innit. It goes in circles.

Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by Xelynega on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @09:37PM (#34890883)
Thats part of my concern with all the money being dumped into openAI et al after they productive their generative models.

If all the money is in generative models that give "good looking" results, who is going to spend money investing in the techniques that don't produce as "good looking" results right now but who have a potential beyond recombining it's training data?

Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by indymike on Monday February 20, 2023 @10:29PM (#34876127)
ChatGPT output may not be copyright eligible, which erodes the underpinnings of the publishing industry.
Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by pavon on Monday February 20, 2023 @10:43PM (#34876212)
It has nothing to do with it being genuine or not. The number of submissions have increased by 100x and nearly all of it is crap, but crap that can't be easily filtered by automated tools. The bots aren't making stories that people want to read, but they are drowning out all the stories that people do. The philosophical and pragmatic implications of AI being able to replace people are interesting, but that isn't what this is - it's just spam by low-effort grifters.
Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by mojoe on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @12:09AM (#34876922)
thanks, this is a perfect encapsulation of what's happening, I'm surprised there are so many people here who don't understand the core issue here.
Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by vba616 on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @12:54AM (#34877238)
>there are so many people here who don't understand the core issue here.

Sufficiently advanced AI is indistinguishable from people who don't understand the core issue here. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever...

Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by prepend on Monday February 20, 2023 @10:48PM (#34876255)
It’s not about genuine, it’s about quality. The chatgpt stories are poor and there’s tons of them to go through.

If the stories were great, or even if .001% were great, then I think the magazine would be happy as they’d be able to put out more great stories.

Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by billjings on Monday February 20, 2023 @11:01PM (#34876367)
Human authors do get ideas from existing material, and they do imitate existing work, but ChatGPT does not actually have any ideas. It is technically incapable of understanding. It generates the appearance of ideas, but that appearance is a reproduction of word relationships from its source materials.
Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by nkrisc on Monday February 20, 2023 @11:21PM (#34876547)
It’s not an issue of “genuine”, it’s just crap. But to determine it’s crap someone needs to read it and that’s not scalable when you can generate hundreds of crappy submissions in an instant.
Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by jrockway on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @12:05AM (#34876888)
Humans beat ChatGPT to the crap content game, though. Remember the Time Cube guy?
Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by vba616 on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @12:52AM (#34877217)
People remember the Time Cube because it was original.
Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by jrockway on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @05:05PM (#34888252)
That's actually a very good point.
Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by jmathai on Monday February 20, 2023 @10:13PM (#34876006)
Maybe “Just because you can doesn’t mean you should”?

There’s too many things to list that you “can” do that society collectively believes you shouldn’t because the negatives outweigh the positives.

Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by smy20011 on Monday February 20, 2023 @10:20PM (#34876048)
Your comment history is hilarious.
Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by a_bonobo on Monday February 20, 2023 @10:07PM (#34875969)
and then what? it can't be original, it will forever recycle/regurgitate past SF. Nothing new will appear.
Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by loeg on Monday February 20, 2023 @10:14PM (#34876010)
"there is nothing new under the sun"

But also I expect AI-written novels to be pretty crap, so I'd prefer humans keep doing it.

Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by ElFitz on Monday February 20, 2023 @11:08PM (#34876425)
> it can't be original, it will forever recycle/regurgitate past SF

I can’t see why. It could very well, on its own, use other genre’s narrative structures, stories or styles that are uncommon or inexistant in SF.

It could also be used by a human writer to flesh out the story and concepts the writer has created. There are a few authors I find brilliant but whose writing and characters were sorely lacking.

It’s really more about what you do with it than wether or not you use it. I mean, computers have enabled people to simply copy-paste stuff and not produce anything meaningful. Some do just that. Others have thrived.

Re:Clarksworld closes submissions due to GPT spam by vba616 on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:27AM (#34877458)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Variety

"...a last ironic thought drifted through Hendricks’ mind...They were already beginning to design weapons to use against each other."