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Re:AI Looks Like a Bubble by mjburgess on Sunday February 19, 2023 @05:24AM (#34856219)
OpenAI haven't invented anything with a "competitive moat" right?

They've created a product which uses ideas and data that are largely available to everyone. It's not a pharmaceutical-drug type invention.

If they hadnt been bought my MS, their revenues were going to be in the $20/mo subscriptions. And you'd quickly find a lot of people offering $5/mo for 80% of the quality which would be "just fine" for many cases. (Eg., consider copilot).

The valuation of OpenAI is because it was clear a player like MS would buy it, since the marginal economic value of that technology is to a large incumbent who can quickly deploy it "in the places it's needed". It's that ability to deliver "when needed" which enables MS to draw value from it: ie., MS is just capitalising on it's current position with customers.

The AI bit is actually providing a trivial amount of profit over-and-above MS's existing position with customers.

Re:AI Looks Like a Bubble by verbify on Sunday February 19, 2023 @05:49AM (#34856393)
Isn't there a pretty big cost in training these LLMs?
Re:AI Looks Like a Bubble by mjburgess on Sunday February 19, 2023 @05:54AM (#34856424)
One that prevents you from competing, but not most larger tech companies.

If you think if it like any other product, the picture is clearer.

A startup invents a widget whose production costs are somewhat high, but there's no patents/etc. So all major players could invent their own. Where's the value? Just in the sale to a major player.

Re:AI Looks Like a Bubble by verbify on Sunday February 19, 2023 @08:07AM (#34857276)
I hear you. What do you think of the time/expertise/tooling it takes to train these models (and that's it's an iterative process and openai has a significant head start). This strikes me as more than a 'first to the gate' advantage (but perhaps less than a traditional moat).