No. I know all that you wrote. Maybe it works for you. I have read it hundreds of times before. Now we know you don't think the book at the top of the thread is "great". You just think it is "great for escaping the status quo because you see the oppressor in every cis/white person".
> Imagine you’re a struggling writer
Your whole point was that cis and whites are incapable of relating to non-cis and non-whites. So much so that a gathering of cis and whites is framed as "excluding the oppressed" by merely gathering, and that
> These are all things that cis people aren’t really going to understand.
And now you ask me to imagine one X, given I am not X?
I'm happy these ideas all coexist in your head, it must make for a nice head cannon. Looking at ciswhitestraightmales and flattening them into oppressors that one might as well avoid. Or at least get worried if you see them in groups. Groups you are not in! Because their groups are nexus of the white cisheteropatriarchy. They are not people, but ambassadors. Ambassadors of an all powerful regime. A regime within which you claim the right to destroy. And then this hegemonic culture rewords books just so you don't feel sad, bending over backwards to normalize all you want. But it is never enough...
Closing remarks, already bored of this on a Sunday: You must think it horrible that fertile cis white straight people are allowed to breed and raise humans. You know, that's the ultimate ingroup. Would you like to abolish it? Maybe all children could be acquired and raised by the state. In one generation (and I am pushing the status quo of procreation, forgive me) we could raise only the right people, in the right way. Hurray!
I wish you plenty of health, and a minimum of 30h per week more than 100m away from the nearest white cis. May they never bother you, may you never suffer them.
It's unfair for him to ask you to do that, because you've already admitted that you're a sociopath who wants AI to wipe out humanity, so you can't be expected to have any empathy for your fellow human beings or imagine putting yourself in anyone else's place, beyond simply performative acting for the purpose of manipulation (like your last sentence).
And I do not want humanity wiped. I want "if framing cis as oppressors and so as ripe for being dehumanized is considered good, then humanity has nothing of value for the AI to learn from, and so it should wipe us".
I replied to this accusation elsewhere. Giving some time for you people to breathe.
I think the point they are making is that cis and trans don't work in this sort of class analysis, as the two groups are in themselves too diverse. They have to be further divided into subgroups for this to make any sense.
For example, take the most controversial subset of the transgendered: transwomen, i.e. males who identify as women. Then compare to actual female women ("cis women") - it is obvious that this maps onto the existing feminist analysis of sex class, with males being the dominant class and females the oppressed class.
Which is what makes it so problematic when these males try to impose themselves upon the spaces of actual female women, as they're engaging in male dominance behaviour that wouldn't be considered acceptable by any other man. But because we have this false cis-trans oppression hierarchy being presented to defend this, it pulls the wool over many people's eyes to what is really happening.
There is this concept of the oppressor and the oppressed. In a patriarchy men as a whole oppress women. Individual men should not be judged by this but women will tend to stick together to avoid the high probability that men will mistreat them.
In a white supremacist society white people as a whole oppress people of color. Again people of color will want to stick together to find a break from the constant mistreatment by the white oppressor.
But there is a difference between white people wanting to stick together and people of color wanting to stick together in a white supremacist society. In this case the white people stick together to maintain their oppression and exclusion, and the people of color stick together to find freedom and respite from their mistreatment.
One of these is good and okay, and one of these is meant to perpetuate oppression. The oppressed wanting space from the oppressor is okay. The oppressor wanting to exclude the oppressed is not okay.
Because of this you cannot simply reverse the roles and say “see replace cis people with women/blacks and it sounds terrible”. Because what you have done is replace the dominant class with the oppressed class. You’ve changed the whole meaning of the thing.
In a cis heteronormative society the status quo is maintained by cis people constantly reinforcing gender and sexual norms. There is a long list of behaviors we are all taught as children that reinforce this, and we repeat those behaviors as adults to keep the system going. We do this unconsciously.
Trans people find that exhausting to be around. We have been around that our entire lives and many people we know have died trying to fight it. Finally we found the courage to push back and be ourselves.
We find it much less exhausting to be around people who have at least accepted our ways. And we find it positively rewarding to be around people that understand all the difficulties we are going through.
These are all things that cis people aren’t really going to understand.
Look - Imagine you’re a struggling writer. Your partner is a successful engineer. They don’t really understand what it’s like to be a struggling writer so when you talk to them about it their advice isn’t very good. You don’t feel any sense of relief from talking to them. Finally you end up at a bar and you bump in to another struggling writer who has recently regained some direction. You swap stories and feel positively encouraged!
If they told you about a writers group that would help, wouldn’t you want to join it? That’s not excluding others, that’s finding community! Everyone needs that.