Poor schemas, poor cataloguing: why music tagging sucks

Re:Poor schemas, poor cataloguing: why music tagging sucks by powersnail on Saturday February 18, 2023 @07:25PM (#34852695)

Tangentially, name eliding is also quite difficult for classical pieces, as there are so many parts that eliding is almost always needed, but no standard order, so it's impossible to know which segment is the most informational. There's the composer's name, the piece's name, the opus number, the piece's alias, the movement's number, the movement's name, the performer, and sometimes, the transcriber's name if it is transcribed.

Elide the end, and you might get:

- Sonata No.[...].mp3

Elide the beginning, and you might get:

- [...] by Julia Fischer.mp3

Elide the middle, and:

- Anne-Soph[...]minor.mp3

I really hope that music apps would provide a choice for multi-lined, non-elided presentation of piece titles.

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Re:Poor schemas, poor cataloguing: why music tagging sucks by andybak on Saturday February 18, 2023 @07:50PM (#34852866)

The problem would be not much worse than with popular music where you try to stuff artist+album+track into just the filename.

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Re:Poor schemas, poor cataloguing: why music tagging sucks by powersnail on Sunday February 19, 2023 @03:44AM (#34855708)

The difference is that pop music don't need to be titled with as many parts as a typical classical piece. Artist + title is enough as an identifier. In most cases, Artist is a single name (of a singer or a band), and title is usually succinct---not always, but usually. At most, there's an parenthesized .feat or .cover.

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Re:Poor schemas, poor cataloguing: why music tagging sucks by pasc1878 on Sunday February 19, 2023 @04:26AM (#34855888)

I have several bands who do release the same song several times. EG live albums, some do new versions and now without the limitation of record or CD length multiple takes of the same song in the same album

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Re:Poor schemas, poor cataloguing: why music tagging sucks by kashunstva on Saturday February 18, 2023 @08:38PM (#34853186)

You have pointed to a source of enormous frustration and one which suggests the developers haven’t attempted to understand features of music that existed and evolved for 500 years of Western music and exist still today.

The elision itself is a problem; but so is the solution that involves horizontal scrolling of the information. It usually proceeds in _n_ character blocks and there’s a nearly zero chance the user will have the patience for the eventual completed reveal. Which movement of the sonata is this? I’m not waiting for the scrolling marquee. Table views are where the elision problem really surfaces.

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Re:Poor schemas, poor cataloguing: why music tagging sucks by atoav on Sunday February 19, 2023 @02:32AM (#34855360)

Most music apps I know will display the metadata tags and ignore any filename if metadata is present which would make the problem you described a little different (namely, how to display what is in the metadata).

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Re:Poor schemas, poor cataloguing: why music tagging sucks by djtango on Sunday February 19, 2023 @02:55AM (#34855484)

PREACH. Spotify is a nightmare, at least sane music players would implement some kind of auto scroll through the name...

From my own personal curation I just rely on memory essentially...

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