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Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by wheelerof4te on Friday February 17, 2023 @06:13PM (#34841881)
How exactly do you edit a gene?

Like, it is very, very small thing. How do you even measure it, let alone replace it?

Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by xen2xen1 on Friday February 17, 2023 @06:18PM (#34841929)
Viruses do that an astounding number of times a day, every day, don't they? And this treatment uses a virus.
Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by yCombLinks on Saturday February 18, 2023 @04:24PM (#34851255)
A virus that we've modified to deliver the genetic payload we want inserted at a specific point in this child's DNA. It's not "give this child a random virus we have laying around, that'll fix her".
Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by yazaddaruvala on Friday February 17, 2023 @08:48PM (#34843025)
Keywords to search for "CRISPR Cas9"
Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by bglazer on Friday February 17, 2023 @10:24PM (#34843560)
Biochemistry is wild!

Measuring is an absolutely fascinating procedure. The predominant method is called sequencing by synthesis. Illumina is the company that basically rules the market for this technology, they have some decent explanatory videos if you’re interested.

The first steps are to isolate DNA, then break it into small bits, replicate those small pieces thousands of times, and then anchor these to a glass slide. Then flow a solution over the slide with the individual DNA bases (ATCG) that have been modified to fluoresce when illuminated with a certain wavelength of light. These fluorescently labeled nucleotides get assembled one by one into strands that match the small fragments from the DNA sample. Each time the fluorescent DNA bases are added a laser is shined on the glass slide and a very sensitive microscope camera reads how many strands shone at the frequency that corresponds to A T C and G. This tells you which base just got added to which strand. Repeat a couple hundred times and you have a huge number of sequences of ATCG’s corresponding to each short strand of DNA in the sample.

The problem now is assembling these short sequences into a full genome. Basically, the puzzle is finding the arrangement of short sequences that maximizes the overlap between them and their agreement with a reference genome. It’s a pretty interesting problem that (I believe) is classically solved with dynamic programming, although I don’t know the most recent methods.

I really don’t think it’s well enough appreciated how integral computation is to DNA sequencing. Signal processing in the camera, assembling the genome fragments, determining whether a mutation exists, and all the subsequent analysis to give biological meaning to a sequence.

Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by aaauaucuggaa on Friday February 17, 2023 @10:31PM (#34843594)
Your answer is much better
Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by ruskyhacker on Saturday February 18, 2023 @01:04AM (#34844382)
Thank you for the detailed explanation!
Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by syastrov on Saturday February 18, 2023 @01:58AM (#34844662)
It is super interesting! I was at a talk where a genetics company used the Smith-Waterman algorithm (1) to perform sequence alignment. Still I believe it took a long time (24 hours?) to perform the calculations. They were working on optimizing the code as doing so could mean a faster turnaround.

1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith–Waterman_algorithm

Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by wheelerof4te on Saturday February 18, 2023 @06:00AM (#34845907)
Thank you very much for the detailed explanation.

This is the kind of content I visit this site for.

Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by aaauaucuggaa on Friday February 17, 2023 @10:31PM (#34843593)
With DNA sequencing?
Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by l33t233372 on Saturday February 18, 2023 @02:12AM (#34844738)
I believe the question could be more thoroughly phrased as “How does DNA sequencing work with such precision at such scales that we can edit DNA?”

This formulation has the added benefit of not being easily answered with a flippant remark.

Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by raffraffraff on Saturday February 18, 2023 @02:45AM (#34844890)
Vim or Emacs. But vim is better.
Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by flir on Saturday February 18, 2023 @03:25AM (#34845110)
Yeah, if you want DNA littered with ESC, CTRL+c, CTRL+z, CMD+q, CMD+w, ALT+F4...

Don't take the chance, people. Edit your DNA with notepad.

Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by raffraffraff on Sunday February 19, 2023 @06:31AM (#34856663)
Noooo! Then you'll have ^M on each line!
Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by ta1243 on Saturday February 18, 2023 @11:05AM (#34847898)
Real molecular biologists use butterflys...
Re:First UK child to receive gene therapy for fatal genetic ... by refurb on Saturday February 18, 2023 @07:13AM (#34846310)
Its similar to chemistry. You cant see molecules.

We have a set of tools that let you determine biological structures (sometimes entirely, sometimes only partially).

We also have a set of tools to modify genes. Some viruses already do this, so we use them. Were also using CRISPR which is based on the machinery of bacteria.

So you use the modification tools to change genes and the analytical tools to prove you did it correctly.

Of course the level of complexity is way higher since your dealing with a living organism and the modification tools (and analytical tools) aren't perfect, so there is a ton of trial and error to do to correctly.