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Re:A giant step forward in understanding autism by infamouscow on Friday February 17, 2023 @10:49AM (#34836005)
So it's okay because the vast majority of people aren't affected?

By that rationale, Black, Asian, and LGBT Americans should keep to themselves and stop fighting for rights or having a voice.

In both cases we are talking about people with immutable traits or characteristics society as a whole isn't fond of. (If society was fond, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion, nor people fighting for equal treatment in society.) All of these people have been the victims of the genocidal lunatics in the 20th century.

The only difference is society has not progressed to a point where it is socially acceptable to condemn people for hating the neurodivergent.

Re:A giant step forward in understanding autism by slibhb on Friday February 17, 2023 @11:22AM (#34836608)
No one is talking about rights. Autistic people have the same rights as gay people and black people.

What we're talking about are norms. Norms tend to be based on the average person. If you aren't average, you're going to have to deal with that. I don't see any other solution.

Re:A giant step forward in understanding autism by infamouscow on Friday February 17, 2023 @11:44AM (#34836946)
If you had a time machine and went back to the 1950s, people would be making the same argument for why Black, Asian, and LGTM Americans are just going to have to deal with being minorities.
Re:A giant step forward in understanding autism by marcellus23 on Friday February 17, 2023 @12:22PM (#34837477)
No, because the problems facing those groups were that people were treating them _differently_ because they belonged to a minority. The problem facing people with autism is that people expect to be able to interact with them like they interact with everyone else.

> LGTM Americans

been reviewing a few pull requests today? :)

Re:A giant step forward in understanding autism by infamouscow on Friday February 17, 2023 @01:35PM (#34838525)
The rationale behind why minorities were treated different was that the majority expected the minority to behave different. Most of the racist nonsense online today is still predicated on that rationale.
Re:A giant step forward in understanding autism by jstarfish on Friday February 17, 2023 @12:12PM (#34837362)
Their arguments were flawed because nobody is expected to bend over backwards to coexist with blacks, Asians, or gays.

It's not the same thing and you know it.

Re:A giant step forward in understanding autism by infamouscow on Friday February 17, 2023 @12:49PM (#34837885)
The distinctions are far too broad to be meaningful.

Every single reason put forth for why autism is different than the other minority groups mentioned is invariably parroting the majority view in the 1950s about minorities.

It hindsight, it's easy to see the problem. But how would you go about determining if it was a problem without the benefit of hindsight? Put differently, what makes you so certain you wouldn't be parroting the same thing about Black, Asian, or LGBT people if you lived in a different time? It's easy to say that now, it's not so easy to conceptualize that in the 1950s.

Just because something is acceptable now doesn't mean it will be in the future. The inability to come up with a solution doesn't mean it should be ignored or left alone, either.

Re:A giant step forward in understanding autism by slibhb on Friday February 17, 2023 @01:26PM (#34838393)
Blacks, Asians, Jews, Muslims, gays etc still have to "deal with being minorities".

Again, you're conflating norms and rights.

Re:A giant step forward in understanding autism by infamouscow on Friday February 17, 2023 @03:00PM (#34839682)
Neudivergent people also have to deal with being the other.

It's clear you don't want to have a discussion in good faith. You keep fixating on the word "rights" in the phrase "fighting for rights or having a voice" in an attempt to reframe the discussion and to avoid having to meaningfully engage in the points mentioned.

Re:A giant step forward in understanding autism by slibhb on Friday February 17, 2023 @03:39PM (#34840231)
Everything I've posted here is in good faith.

You've refused to address my point, which is that normative culture necessarily favors "normal people" and there's nothing that can be done about that. Instead, you've decided to confuse the issue by talking about civil rights, which has nothing to do with the post I originally responded to.

Re:A giant step forward in understanding autism by infamouscow on Friday February 17, 2023 @04:49PM (#34841050)
Normative culture don't necessarily favor "normal people" and there are things that can be done about that.

The Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 was created for that very purpose.

> (1) physical or mental disabilities in no way diminish a person’s right to fully participate in all aspects of society, yet many people with physical or mental disabilities have been precluded from doing so because of discrimination; others who have a record of a disability or are regarded as having a disability also have been subjected to discrimination;

> (2) historically, society has tended to isolate and segregate individuals with disabilities, and, despite some improvements, such forms of discrimination against individuals with disabilities continue to be a serious and pervasive social problem;

> (3) discrimination against individuals with disabilities persists in such critical areas as employment, housing, public accommodations, education, transportation, communication, recreation, institutionalization, health services, voting, and access to public services;

> (4) unlike individuals who have experienced discrimination on the basis of race, color, sex, national origin, religion, or age, individuals who have experienced discrimination on the basis of disability have often had no legal recourse to redress such discrimination;

> (5) individuals with disabilities continually encounter various forms of discrimination, including outright intentional exclusion, the discriminatory effects of architectural, transportation, and communication barriers, overprotective rules and policies, failure to make modifications to existing facilities and practices, exclusionary qualification standards and criteria, segregation, and relegation to lesser services, programs, activities, benefits, jobs, or other opportunities;

https://www.ada.gov/law-and-regs/ada/

Re:A giant step forward in understanding autism by slibhb on Friday February 17, 2023 @07:30PM (#34842552)
After reasonable accommodations for people who aren't normal has been made, they will still be at a disadvantage. This is necessarily true.