I have a ski cabin (not on AirBnB) and I don't think most people realize how difficult it is to get these places cleaned reliably. You can hire a very expensive cleaning service that brings in their own sheets and towels, but it's entirely impractical to have a regular cleaning service wait around while the dishwasher and 4 loads of laundry run. In terms of taking garbage to the dumpster, it's difficult to have someone take the garbage cans to the street and bring them back on garbage day. It's basically impossible if there are bears around. If the guests help out the cleaning fees can in principle be much lower. If you want to leave the place trashed like you would leave a hotel, don't complain about $400+ cleaning fees as that service is extremely expensive in resort areas.

I wonder if you've got that info in the listing for your place? "Listen, cleaning would cost me money, and that's impractical (and difficult!), so, y'know, might want to bring your own towels and check the bedding."

>If the guests help out the cleaning fees can in principle be much lower.

is it ever, though?

This cavalier attitude to, like, the basic overhead of running a hospitality business, is why I'm back on team hotel for most stays.

To be clear, my place is not on any listing service. Purely family and friends, I never rent it. I tell everyone "the cleaners are supposed to come but leave it so that if they don't the next person is not grossed out."

Ah, I misunderstood. I take back my excessive levels of disgust. Expectations are obviously different for private use between friends and family.

It's entirely reasonable to expect family and friends to properly clean up a place that you have kindly allowed them to use. But that is an entirely different domain (i.e. non-commercial).

My wife and I bought a unit in a Condotel in Florida where we stay half the year and we nomad the other half.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34821620

When we leave in the spring, we pay a $110 cleaning fee and the property management company takes care of everything - cleaning, finding guests, cleaning, replenishment, maintenance, and they have a warehouse full of furniture when they need to replace everything.

True they take 48% of the proceeds + 4% escrow to handle major repairs. But I don’t have to deal with anything.

It’s in Florida so of course it’s cyclical. But since we stay there during low season, it covers its own expenses the other half.

This is investment advice. This is not an investment idea. This was a lifestyle choice to give us a place to stay during the winter.

But I would rather get two anal probes than be a traditional landlord again.