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Re:Search through historical cookbooks dating back to the Mi... by fedeb95 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @11:47AM (#34821167)
Very useful. I searched for "pasta" and almost nothing showed up but I think I am not yet very good at using the tool. Anyway it's very interesting to have a database of some old text about cooking to search.
Re:Search through historical cookbooks dating back to the Mi... by dom96 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @12:24PM (#34821849)
I just tried "chicken", lots of stuff came up
Re:Search through historical cookbooks dating back to the Mi... by giraffe_lady on Thursday February 16, 2023 @12:32PM (#34821984)
Pasta and its cognates is a real ball of culinary-taxonomic mud so that's a pretty unlucky first choice I think.

The word pasta and etymological relatives are also the words for all dough, sausage (pâté), porridge, pastry (pâtisserie), pesto, etc etc in different european cuisines and that's just what I know off the top of my head, in use in the last few decades. If you expand it out a couple hundred years who fucking knows what will have been known by that word or its variants.

I'm not even sure how long that usage dates in english either. Even as recently as mid-late 20th century american cookbooks referred to all noodles as macaroni and used that word generically the same way we use pasta now.

Re:Search through historical cookbooks dating back to the Mi... by perihelions on Thursday February 16, 2023 @05:56PM (#34827799)
I think pesto doesn't belong there: it comes from a different Latin word that seems unrelated.

- "From Latin pistus (“crushed, pounded”), from Latin pīnsō (“to pound, beat, crush”), whose frequentative also gave Italian pestare (“to pound”)."

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pesto#Italian

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pasta#Latin

Re:Search through historical cookbooks dating back to the Mi... by stonemetal12 on Thursday February 16, 2023 @04:59PM (#34827053)
>First attested in English in 1874, the word pasta comes from Italian pasta,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasta

Evidently it is a young word relatively speaking.

Re:Search through historical cookbooks dating back to the Mi... by wolverine876 on Saturday February 18, 2023 @02:20AM (#34844771)
Why do people keep using Wikipedia? From an actual historical dictionary, the Oxford English Dictionary:

Earliest use as an English word: 1830:

J. P. Cobbett Jrnl. Tour Italy 214 Maccaroni, like vermicelli, is only one of the forms into which the Italians make what they call ‘pasta’ or paste. It requires a particular sort of wheat, a brittle, flinty grain, to make this pasta.

Earliest mention in English (i.e., as an Italian word): 1820:

W. A. Cadell Journey Carniola, Italy & France II. 152 The Italians prefer that [sc. Macaroni] which is fresh made, and made at home, and called pasta di casa, household paste.*

Re:Search through historical cookbooks dating back to the Mi... by stonemetal12 on Monday February 20, 2023 @11:22AM (#34869579)
For me, laziness mostly. OED isn't free, and I don't care enough to pay for it, or figure out how to get it free.

Even if the correct date is 1830 or even 1820, it is a distinction without difference. It misses the middle ages by more than a hundred years.