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Re:Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public sch... by sjm on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @11:29AM (#34806101)
Teachers do more work outside of their standard hours than most other professions. I dated a teacher for a long time and she worked much harder for her public school salary (waking up at 6am, prepping, lesson planning, grading, chasing up kids who aren't making it to school, dealing with social workers, etc.), than I do for my cushy six-figure tech job salary.

Besides, why shouldn't teachers make six-figures? Why are teachers treated like this in the US?

Re:Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public sch... by ethbr0 on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @11:32AM (#34806175)
> Besides, why shouldn't teachers make six-figures?

Exactly. Compared to what I do, educating 15-20 future citizens and adults seems on par.

And to your broader point, indeed, the average US teacher at this point is 1/5 lesson planning, 3/5 instruction, 1/10 social worker, and 1/10 data entry/report filing.

Re:Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public sch... by bcrosby95 on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @11:36AM (#34806292)
Yep. Our kids' Kindergarten teacher gave each kid a hand made valentine with their picture in it. I'm pretty sure that alone took hours to do, and she probably spent her own money on it too.
Re:Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public sch... by option on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @11:34AM (#34806217)
Teachers should make six figures, the best ones should make seven like couches do now.

And it should be very easy to fire bad ones. Basically should be at will employment with school district.

Re:Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public sch... by ethbr0 on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @11:38AM (#34806328)
> at will employment with school district

This is thorny, because it gets into the problems tenure was created to combat: school administration's goals aren't always student success.

Especially now, they can be myopically assessment-focused or political.

Subordinating teachers to the whim of administration wouldn't help this. Jury-of-their-peers is slightly better, but has its own issues.

Re:Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public sch... by option on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @12:42PM (#34807567)
school boards are (and should be) elected positions. So theoretically they are accountable to parents.
Re:Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public sch... by ethbr0 on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @01:04PM (#34807947)
Parents definitely shouldn't be the primary source of authority.

If you want to know how badly otherwise seemingly mature adults can behave, come to a local school board meeting in Florida.

"For the kids" + average parent = asshole with no holds barred

Re:Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public sch... by chongli on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @11:44AM (#34806504)
Why are teachers treated like this in the US?

The U.S. has a large contingent of free-market maximalists. These groups are opposed to public services like education and health care across the board. They are allied with right-wing religious groups who oppose public schools on religious grounds (they want a religious curriculum and that’s unconstitutional).

Their tactic is called “starve the beast.” They believe that underfunding and neglect will drive the best teachers out of the public school system and into private schools. Their goal is to bring about the collapse of the public school system and then ultimately convince voters to abolish public schools altogether.

Re:Sanders calls for minimum salary of $60000 for public sch... by lukas099 on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @12:00PM (#34806874)
Here is a thread on r/Teachers where teachers discuss how many hours they work [1]. From a quick skimming it seems to vary with new teachers working really hard, older ones having pretty easy hours, and some teachers doing things like extracurriculars which are not difficult but do take time.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Teachers/comments/6f1m76/how_many_h...

I know this is a biased sample.