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Re:Trove of spices from around the world on sunken fifteenth... by madaxe_again on Saturday February 11, 2023 @05:36PM (#34757121)
Henbane was used for all sorts, including brewing.

As for the trip… we have it growing wild at our place, and I’ve been schooling myself as a herbalist/botanist, mostly for practical purposes. I’ve smoked it and had it in tea. It’s not a “oh wow I want to do that again!” but it’s also not “oh sweet Jesus no”. Floaty, tranquil, visuals not unlike DMT, and a terrible stomach upset.

Some locals still use it, as an alternative to hemlock, to stun fish.

Re:Trove of spices from around the world on sunken fifteenth... by pacaro on Saturday February 11, 2023 @08:05PM (#34758297)
To build in the brewing part, before it was replaced by hops, it was the plant that gave its name "Bilsenkraut" to the city of Pilsen. So not just occasionally used, but significant enough that places where named for it
Re:Trove of spices from around the world on sunken fifteenth... by culi on Saturday February 11, 2023 @08:31PM (#34758514)
Very interesting, thanks. I think there's often a cultural "plant blindness" we have nowadays, but it's hard to overstate how influential many plants have been on all human cultures.

One fun thing I found out today: Linnaea is a genus of honeysuckle named after botanist Carl Linnaeus whose name derives from the Swedish lind or linden tree. So it's a plant named after a person named after a plant!

I bet I could find a lot more examples like this if I kept digging. I only recently realized how common it is for names to derive from plants and I've had a lot of fun digging into it

Re:Trove of spices from around the world on sunken fifteenth... by Alex3917 on Saturday February 11, 2023 @08:14PM (#34758374)
> Some locals still use it, as an alternative to hemlock, to stun fish.

Why is anyone using Hemlock to stun fish? Given there are dozens of plants that stun fish, it seems odd that folks would use one that's also absurdly toxic to humans.

Re:Trove of spices from around the world on sunken fifteenth... by culi on Saturday February 11, 2023 @08:28PM (#34758492)
Hemlock grows in poorly drained soils (e.g. next to streams) so it's likely very often the nearest plant you can find to use for this purpose
Re:Trove of spices from around the world on sunken fifteenth... by Alex3917 on Saturday February 11, 2023 @08:53PM (#34758705)
Makes sense. I wonder if pawpaw would work. It seems like it might if rotenone works, since they both have the same mechanism of action, but I’ve never seen it listed as a fish poison.
Re:Trove of spices from around the world on sunken fifteenth... by pvaldes on Sunday February 12, 2023 @05:14PM (#34767685)
> Why is anyone using Hemlock to stun fish?

Because they are criminals. This is strictly forbidden in most countries.

And because they are stupid and like to play with their own health

Re:Trove of spices from around the world on sunken fifteenth... by culi on Saturday February 11, 2023 @08:20PM (#34758430)
Interesting. I've read it was used in cigarettes in part for its narcotic effects (and to treat asthma) and was wondering if that meant it's hallucinogenic or not

From what I understand it can be poisonous if consumed directly. You'd probably get poisoned from directly consuming tobacco leaves too so I wonder if this is a similar situation where smoking is safer than direct consumption

Would you describe the experience as a "trip" like other psychedelic plants and fungi?

Re:Trove of spices from around the world on sunken fifteenth... by madaxe_again on Sunday February 12, 2023 @06:25AM (#34762000)
You can get poisoned just by handling tobacco leaves - Green Tobacco Sickness. I had it as a kid after playing in a wet tobacco field - I honestly thought I was going to die.

And yes, it was a trip - but mild in the grand scheme of things.